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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 707197" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Re: To You So-Called Limited Gov't Repubs Who Carte Blanche Supported Bush All For Wa</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not one to so much take the Edenic story in such literal terms although in some sense you may ironically have missed a deeper historical instruction from this old story taught in similar ways by numerous civilizations and even religions. At the time we are told the Genesis events happened also coincided with the human race transitioning from hunter-gathers (loose small tribal societies) to forming into large central communities based on agriculture and land domination e.g. dominion which is a bible/religious construct.</p><p></p><p>There are IMO many connections in the Genesis Eden story to this transition as well as a means to dis-associate and disconnect old belief systems with later belief systems in their attempts to transplant themselves as original truth. One example is the Sumerian creation story and the Sumerian god Enki who some describe as a serpent. Enki was also know as the god of water, life/fertility and magic/knowledge eg wisdom. All 3 godlike characteristics are major features in the Genesis Eden story in one form or another. And the Genesis Eden story is one told over and over and over again throughout the bible but seems not many of us are listening.</p><p></p><p>Abram and those before him lived and came from the region we call Sumer so it's influence on culture and religion can't be ignored. Even the later Babylonian culture plays in as Marduk, son of the Sumerian god Enki (Babylonian Ea) was often depicted in serpent form or dragon and ascribed with powers of a creation force. Religion rarely comes up with something new as it far easier to take existing myth and surplant them with your own nativist traditions in the belief in time that old knowledge would die out and the new form being seen as always and pure. So many of even christian traditions and holidays are a result of this long standing practice of mankind. Even biblical stories take on varying traditions towards destruction of gods as in the case of the Tower of Babel. We are told that in the case of Babel that man was trying to reach god in the heavens but we're not told the god trying to be reach was a competitor or in this case Murduk. Could this biblical account be a resulting story found necessary after the jewish captivity in Babylon and the need then to establish a return to a nationalist mindset including a national religion? Mentioning Marduk directly in the account would serve the purpose to remind the good people of something the heirarchy wanted them to forget altogether.</p><p></p><p>Taking a que from Tom Knapp's Samuel reference, one might also, taking the times and events of today into consideration, read the entire account as recorded in 1 Samuel Chapter 8 that sparked his comments on said biblical person to begin with. I find it interesting that when God via Moses led the people from Egypt, he established not a central gov't nation but a loose confederation of a tribal society. Even the land itself once siezed from the Canaanites per God's instruction of conquest was divided and setout according to tribal assignment and remained so until the beginning of the end as told in 1 Samuel.</p><p></p><p>Someone asked me earlier what I thought of the current events of what they called "Rome Burning." I find it comical that my response to that question will likely cause 2 foes here to immediately find a common cause with one another. Even though they believe politics seperate them, my answer will unite them as I desire something neither of them really want regardless if they have to serve it under the thumb of the other's political desires. Better to slave for others in hell than to seek one's own heaven as others find their's too!</p><p></p><p>As to Rome burning, the faster it burns the better I like it. Rome is collasping and consuming itself and in fact has been slowly for well over 100 years if not longer. Recently (last several decades) this process has sped up again ringing true of what Samuel was told to say at verse 10 in Chapter 8. However like Nero, our version of Rome when confronted with it's own self consumption so often finds a scapegoat to sell the masses as the one who struck the match when in truth it's always Nero himself who does so. Between the blind loyality of ignorant masses or the heirarchial few who position themselves (not an exclusive list either) to profit or empower others in there own self induced political/economic chaos that consumes everyone else.</p><p></p><p>On a lighter note, seems a new Congressional Office of Family Values has been created and is up and running. I LMAO when I saw that cartoon and the fact the cartoon may in truth show what gov't really is more than the people really want to know.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yJ55GyuRHP2H6M:http://kenoath.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/anarchy-blackflagsymbolsvg.png%3Fw%3D300%26h%3D300" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 707197, member: 2189"] Re: To You So-Called Limited Gov't Repubs Who Carte Blanche Supported Bush All For Wa I'm not one to so much take the Edenic story in such literal terms although in some sense you may ironically have missed a deeper historical instruction from this old story taught in similar ways by numerous civilizations and even religions. At the time we are told the Genesis events happened also coincided with the human race transitioning from hunter-gathers (loose small tribal societies) to forming into large central communities based on agriculture and land domination e.g. dominion which is a bible/religious construct. There are IMO many connections in the Genesis Eden story to this transition as well as a means to dis-associate and disconnect old belief systems with later belief systems in their attempts to transplant themselves as original truth. One example is the Sumerian creation story and the Sumerian god Enki who some describe as a serpent. Enki was also know as the god of water, life/fertility and magic/knowledge eg wisdom. All 3 godlike characteristics are major features in the Genesis Eden story in one form or another. And the Genesis Eden story is one told over and over and over again throughout the bible but seems not many of us are listening. Abram and those before him lived and came from the region we call Sumer so it's influence on culture and religion can't be ignored. Even the later Babylonian culture plays in as Marduk, son of the Sumerian god Enki (Babylonian Ea) was often depicted in serpent form or dragon and ascribed with powers of a creation force. Religion rarely comes up with something new as it far easier to take existing myth and surplant them with your own nativist traditions in the belief in time that old knowledge would die out and the new form being seen as always and pure. So many of even christian traditions and holidays are a result of this long standing practice of mankind. Even biblical stories take on varying traditions towards destruction of gods as in the case of the Tower of Babel. We are told that in the case of Babel that man was trying to reach god in the heavens but we're not told the god trying to be reach was a competitor or in this case Murduk. Could this biblical account be a resulting story found necessary after the jewish captivity in Babylon and the need then to establish a return to a nationalist mindset including a national religion? Mentioning Marduk directly in the account would serve the purpose to remind the good people of something the heirarchy wanted them to forget altogether. Taking a que from Tom Knapp's Samuel reference, one might also, taking the times and events of today into consideration, read the entire account as recorded in 1 Samuel Chapter 8 that sparked his comments on said biblical person to begin with. I find it interesting that when God via Moses led the people from Egypt, he established not a central gov't nation but a loose confederation of a tribal society. Even the land itself once siezed from the Canaanites per God's instruction of conquest was divided and setout according to tribal assignment and remained so until the beginning of the end as told in 1 Samuel. Someone asked me earlier what I thought of the current events of what they called "Rome Burning." I find it comical that my response to that question will likely cause 2 foes here to immediately find a common cause with one another. Even though they believe politics seperate them, my answer will unite them as I desire something neither of them really want regardless if they have to serve it under the thumb of the other's political desires. Better to slave for others in hell than to seek one's own heaven as others find their's too! As to Rome burning, the faster it burns the better I like it. Rome is collasping and consuming itself and in fact has been slowly for well over 100 years if not longer. Recently (last several decades) this process has sped up again ringing true of what Samuel was told to say at verse 10 in Chapter 8. However like Nero, our version of Rome when confronted with it's own self consumption so often finds a scapegoat to sell the masses as the one who struck the match when in truth it's always Nero himself who does so. Between the blind loyality of ignorant masses or the heirarchial few who position themselves (not an exclusive list either) to profit or empower others in there own self induced political/economic chaos that consumes everyone else. On a lighter note, seems a new Congressional Office of Family Values has been created and is up and running. I LMAO when I saw that cartoon and the fact the cartoon may in truth show what gov't really is more than the people really want to know. [IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yJ55GyuRHP2H6M:http://kenoath.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/anarchy-blackflagsymbolsvg.png%3Fw%3D300%26h%3D300[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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