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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 833195" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>Your statement was the it is very simple to hold someone accountable, now you are saying it is very difficult. I believe your thinking is somewhat naive on this count. I do not mean that as an insult in any way. </p><p></p><p>I believe accountability is neither simple nor easy.</p><p></p><p>Your steps are actually quite excellent, and would make for a perfect starting outline for a labor relations class. The problem is in real world execution. Each step you speak of comes with a multitude of variables and takes many extra hours on the part of the management person. Which would not be a problem at all if there were actually a payoff in the form of changed behavior, but there rarely is.</p><p></p><p>Getting a steward involved with helping to change behavior also sounds like a good idea, and would be if more, or any, stewards saw this as part of their responsibility. Unfortunately, all the stewards I have worked with, even the good ones, do not see any collective role for the union in "providing a fair days work". Although they see a collective role for the union in just about everything else, go figure. </p><p></p><p>I also notice you side stepped my second question, "How many union members have you held accountable?"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 833195, member: 14596"] Your statement was the it is very simple to hold someone accountable, now you are saying it is very difficult. I believe your thinking is somewhat naive on this count. I do not mean that as an insult in any way. I believe accountability is neither simple nor easy. Your steps are actually quite excellent, and would make for a perfect starting outline for a labor relations class. The problem is in real world execution. Each step you speak of comes with a multitude of variables and takes many extra hours on the part of the management person. Which would not be a problem at all if there were actually a payoff in the form of changed behavior, but there rarely is. Getting a steward involved with helping to change behavior also sounds like a good idea, and would be if more, or any, stewards saw this as part of their responsibility. Unfortunately, all the stewards I have worked with, even the good ones, do not see any collective role for the union in "providing a fair days work". Although they see a collective role for the union in just about everything else, go figure. I also notice you side stepped my second question, "How many union members have you held accountable?" [/QUOTE]
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