Ups bean counter joins picket line quits job

But Benefits Are Great!

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...A ten year employee quits ups after joining a picket line outside of ups in Atlanta. This guy has a concious it was his job to find a way to cut hours and reduce jobs....

I just want to make sure I have the facts clear;

DHL is losing market share, failing. Failed companies have zero employees.

UPS buys/merges operations with DHL. Some of the people who would have been unemployed will keep their jobs. Not all will, because all are not needed.

A subcontractor engineer working at UPS for 4 months on a project designed to determine who keeps their job sees a picket line of DHL employees who say they ALL want to keep their job, decides he wants to quit after 4 months. His engineering is to determine how many jobs they can save, instead of all DHL employees picking up unemployment.

And he is a hero? I'm sorry, he's a maroon.

If he was quitting seeing the upcoming 705 strike because of consience, well then I could see some calling him a hero (probably not me) but all he has done is quit over something he didn't understand, and UPS saves on another over-paid programming engineer.
 

Mike Hawk

Well-Known Member
I just want to make sure I have the facts clear;

DHL is losing market share, failing. Failed companies have zero employees.

UPS buys/merges operations with DHL. Some of the people who would have been unemployed will keep their jobs. Not all will, because all are not needed.
UPS moves DHL's air packages from one DHL air ramp to another DHL air ram across the country, no merger/buyout.
A subcontractor engineer working at UPS for 4 months on a project designed to determine who keeps their job sees a picket line of DHL employees who say they ALL want to keep their job, decides he wants to quit after 4 months. His engineering is to determine how many jobs they can save, instead of all DHL employees picking up unemployment.
He worked there 10 years, worked on this specific project 4 months.
Picket line is the company DHL used to move their air packages, ASTAR Air Cargo.
And he is a hero? I'm sorry, he's a maroon.

If he was quitting seeing the upcoming 705 strike because of consience, well then I could see some calling him a hero (probably not me) but all he has done is quit over something he didn't understand, and UPS saves on another over-paid programming engineer.
I did not see anything about overpaid in the article.
Your facts are not clear.
 
A subcontractor engineer working at UPS for 4 months on a project designed to determine who keeps their job sees a picket line of DHL employees who say they ALL want to keep their job, decides he wants to quit after 4 months. His engineering is to determine how many jobs they can save, instead of all DHL employees picking up unemployment.

And he is a hero? I'm sorry, he's a maroon.

If he was quitting seeing the upcoming 705 strike because of consience, well then I could see some calling him a hero (probably not me) but all he has done is quit over something he didn't understand, and UPS saves on another over-paid programming engineer.

If I may, I'll comment personally. I am not a "subcontractor engineer". I was hired by UPS on 6.15.98 as a software-engineer/automation-specialist in the function of Finance & Accounting. My resignation this past Thursday was part to do with the DHL/UPS picket and part to do with an anti-worker project that I had been working on for the past four months. The program had nothing to do with saving UPS employees. It had everything to do with cutting them back as far back to the union conference contracts as possible ("Leave NOTHING on the table"). Having worked with the teamsters in the southern and atlantic conferences back in 2000-2004, I know something about the ethical decision that I made on Thursday. My project, now derailed due to my resignation, would have negatively impacted union workers throughout the nation....period...full-stop.

I made a personal decision...an ethical decision....to no longer drink at the 'Brown Koolaid' water station.

But Benefits Are Great, Keep your day job. You make a lousy reporter!
 
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Fed Up

Guest
Its obvious that you are on managements negotiating committee and dont have a clue. If you knuckleheads would negotiate we wouldnt have to threaten a strike, but its obvious by your proposals you think this is a game. Unless you pull your head out from between your legs and propose reasonable offers your pilots will be out wlaking with us and a majority of the country.

Your offers as presented are nothing more than a waste of paper and costing the union money by paying the salaries of the upsers that are on the committee. 2 days to wake up and get serious or get your browns out!


It ovbious you are a greedy union member that doesnt care about his fellow employees at all. Are you going to put food on the tables of your fellow co-workers who aren't going to get a paycheck, i didn't think so. Not only will that happen but we will lose a ton of business causing us to lay off employess as well. For what?
 
E

efficiency expert

Guest
How about this:

UPS Beancounter gets an overinflated sense of importance from a little media attention. Attempts to prolong his time in the spotlight by spamming internet blogs with links to his posts on other internet blogs.

I particularly liked how his post took credit for saving union jobs at companies all over the nation because of the extremely complex project he was working on dedicated to increasing employee efficiency. He seems to believe that he was the only one capable of working on improving employee efficiency and now that he's gone it cannot be continued without him. Some one should have told him UPS has always tried to be very efficient with their workforce, that's what they do in IE.
 
How about this:

UPS Beancounter gets an overinflated sense of importance from a little media attention. Attempts to prolong his time in the spotlight by spamming internet blogs with links to his posts on other internet blogs.

I particularly liked how his post took credit for saving union jobs at companies all over the nation because of the extremely complex project he was working on dedicated to increasing employee efficiency. He seems to believe that he was the only one capable of working on improving employee efficiency and now that he's gone it cannot be continued without him. Some one should have told him UPS has always tried to be very efficient with their workforce, that's what they do in IE.

Too funny...Companies? No...Just UPS. Keep up the good work of keeping the banter going.
 

cheryl

I started this.
Staff member
Take a look at the video that Tony Bordoli posted on another forum.

They displayed quotes from our forum in a way that could be pretty misleading to anyone not aware that this is not a UPS sanctioned forum.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Tony,
My suggestion, you can take or leave it.
Get on with your new life.
Concentrating on blogs is just going to fester the bad feelings you have.
This does not seem to be a positive, productive effort at this point.
 

brazenbrown

Well-Known Member
Hoaxster,
Point taken. Been thinking the same thing.
Tony

Your self promotion parade is coming to a close. You were probably going to quit your job all along and found a way to do it where you got more attention...

Feel better now??:wink2: Perhaps you can give us some more spam to chew on!!
 

scratch

Least Best Moderator
Staff member
What I don't understand is why the DHL pilots were protesting UPS in the first place. It was alright with them if DHL undercut UPS rates and we lost business and had to lay our employees off. If UPS didn't try to get that business, then Fedex or somebody else would have got it. I would rather see UPS get it and hire more workers then one of our competitors. It sounds to me that DHL was just poorly ran to loose a billion dollars a year and keep undercutting everybody else's rates. But what do I know................
 
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Account Manager

Guest
Its obvious that you are on managements negotiating committee and dont have a clue. If you knuckleheads would negotiate we wouldnt have to threaten a strike, but its obvious by your proposals you think this is a game. Unless you pull your head out from between your legs and propose reasonable offers your pilots will be out wlaking with us and a majority of the country.

Your offers as presented are nothing more than a waste of paper and costing the union money by paying the salaries of the upsers that are on the committee. 2 days to wake up and get serious or get your browns out!

It's thinking like this that is going to make FedEx quickly take over as the package carrier leader. We're still reeling from 1997 (I have customers who dual source now because of that strike) and now I have more that are going to dual source even if we were to come to an agreement tomorrow.

You should take your head out of your 705 patooty and start to think logically.

You really don't understand what's going on...it's really sad to read your reply...really sad.

And I already have my browns out. I can't wait to see what's going to happen when the contingency plan works and you don't get your paycheck!
 

astarpilot

New Member
Take a look at the video that Tony Bordoli posted on another forum.

They displayed quotes from our forum in a way that could be pretty misleading to anyone not aware that this is not a UPS sanctioned forum.

Actually Cheryl, those were made by Astar pilots. It doesn't really matter if browncafe is associated with UPS or not. The quotes in the frames to my mind seem to pretty much reflect the thoughts of UPS'ers. Tony had nothing to do with it. Not going to post on here much, but I thought I should make it clear who is responsibe for the links you posted.
 

scratch

Least Best Moderator
Staff member
It does matter as far as copyrights and posting false info goes. I am sorry anytime loses their job, I am not totally unsympathetic to these pilots and other DHL employees affected by these layoffs. I have seen UPS lay people off too due to loss of business to competition.
 

astarpilot

New Member
It does matter as far as copyrights and posting false info goes. I am sorry anytime loses their job, I am not totally unsympathetic to these pilots and other DHL employees affected by these layoffs. I have seen UPS lay people off too due to loss of business to competition.

Nay Scratch, there is no copyright of the material, and any post by anyone on a board is fair game. Just ask some FedEx guys who thought their material was safe on a secure board a few years back. Further, there are no false statements made anywhere in those videos. Appreciate the nod.
 

Channahon

Well-Known Member
Perhaps the picketing should have occurred in Gemany as opposed to Atlanta. It is unfortunate that some people may lose their jobs, however, Astar employees are contracted by DHL, and also serve the USPS and Air Force. So there may be opportunity for displaced employees. And the other avenue that should be pursued are their unions, to help them find other jobs.

As far as Tony Bortoli joining the picket line, after reading the article, looks to me like he just needed a reason to leave UPS and got some media attention at the same time.

Good Luck to you in your future jobs. I'm not sure a whole lot of companies will view you as a loyal employee.
But the again, you state you are marketable in the Atlanta area and can take care of your family.

The UPS/DHL deal is not a hostile takeover as I read the press release below from UPS.com

UPS announced it will work with DHL Express U.S. toward an agreement to provide transportation in its air network for all of DHL's express, deferred and international package volume within the United States.

UPS also would provide air lift for DHL packages between the United States, Canada and Mexico.
A final contract is anticipated later this year. The agreement, when finalized, would be expected to extend for 10 years and produce up to $1 billion in additional annual revenue for UPS. The company said it would begin phasing in a limited amount of volume in 2008 with ramp up in 2009.

"We believe this arrangement with DHL would represent a wise use of our assets and network capacity while creating a substantial and profitable revenue stream for our company," said David Abney, UPS's chief operating officer. "We plan to move forward quickly on the final contract."

The agreement would not involve the pick-up or delivery of DHL packages to their customers, only the transport of packages, primarily between airports, in North America. As such, the work will be similar to that currently performed by UPS for the U.S. Postal Service.

UPS will be able to handle much of the anticipated new volume in its existing air network, although additional capacity will be added beginning in 2009 upon full implementation. The total amount of capacity needed will be determined at that time; however, UPS is currently scheduled to take delivery of seven new aircraft in 2008 and another five in 2009. The company is also well along on a $1 billion expansion of its UPS Worldport® air hub in Louisville, Ky.

The arrangement with UPS is part of a broader U.S. restructuring announced today by Deutsche Post World Net at a press conference in Bonn, Germany.

"We want to emphasize that this would be a relatively straightforward air lift agreement and that UPS and DHL will continue to compete in the marketplace under their own brands," Abney added. "UPS brings to customers its own unique value proposition. By providing these services to DHL, UPS will not be diminishing its competitive position or ability to differentiate itself with customers."
 
As far as Tony Bor[d]oli joining the picket line, after reading the article, looks to me like he just needed a reason to leave UPS and got some media attention at the same time.

6 days after the event, I'm coming to that same realization ("that just needed a reason to leave UPS and got some media attention at the same time") and am slowly but surely losing steam to fight the good fight. My UPS pay officially ends end-of-day tomorrow and it's certainly time to move on.

My comments last Thursday, those that sparked the entire "media circus" with me, admittedly, the self-promoting leader twirling the baton, have been removed from the bizjournal article(http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/07/21/daily46.html#tp_newCommentAnchor)
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Could UPS have called the media-entity to have my initial comment and rebuttals removed? Could I take this as a violation of my 1st Amendment right to free speech (irregardless of what I had to say was 'right' or 'wrong').

Once again I have choice: I can either continue to fight and delay this "festering" wound (see post several posts above) from healing and now take on the media entity for caving in to UPS' lawyers (an obvious assumption on my part for there could be any number of reasons including a TOS violation on my part) -or- do I simply let it go and move on with my life? A rhetorical question, for the 'right' answer is obvious (that 'right' answer the one being the healthiest for me and my family).

Good Luck to you in your future jobs. I'm not sure a whole lot of companies will view you as a loyal employee.
But the again, you state you are marketable in the Atlanta area and can take care of your family.

I have battled with this over the past 6 days. Obviously, none of the media attention would have followed had I "resigned with dignity" (as one poster on the bizjournal article site pointed out). In the insuing days, I've been accused of being a deat-beat-dad, an opportunist, a disloyal employee, a maroon, a BS-er, someone missing their 'red swingline stapler' (LOL), etc., whilst at the same time a hero, a class act, a non-apologist, someone with courage, etc.

My head has spun around and around and I no longer know what to think. I have many options in my immediate future (back to the private sector, academia, a union entity, the government, etc.) Just like all of us, the ideal career is one that is challenging, engaging and takes on the task that would otherwise be a 'hobby'. I have some time ahead of me to really think hard about where I'll devote the next 20 years of my time.

I hope, in earnest, that those that have interacted with me in the last several days, either in a positive or negative manner, will understand that what I did, right or wrong - self-promoted or otherwise, has been done. My "15 minutes of fame" has come to a close and I'm more happy than sad that it is over.

This will be my final statement on this topic post (to some, goodriddance, I know ;) ).
 
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