This October is going to be a really interesting pay raise for the company. You have UPS getting a deal done for an almost $50/hr top out… at the same time FedEx is trying to dismantle Express in favor of low wage, no benefits, contractor labor. You hear a lot of apologists say Express isn’t going anywhere. Just select markets. Business as usual. Well it’s going to be obvious after October what the real plan is. They know employee morale is lower than ever before. They see the constant panic on social media. They know the rumors. If we’re given a crappy 2%-3% junk raise in the face of looming layoffs and competitor flexing, it’s going to really spell the end for Express. If they give us a solid step raise, maybe they actually do have a plan. The investment they make in us this October is going to speak louder than any BS an ops manager thinks we’re dumb enough to believe.
UPS contract hurts or helps FedEx?
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You don’t actually believe Express will give raises in October, do you?
Gone fishin
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UPS went all in on their drivers and showed them respect , with that they’ll get quality workers. That means they’ll attract the best people applying at their company and be able to turn away the scrubs.
FedEx has taken the exact opposite approach. They’re trying to get to the bottom of the barrel, filling their company with anyone who applies. RAJ , a person who has no idea how to run a route and is strictly a numbers guy takes over because Fred couldn’t do his own dirty work.
If fedex doesn’t change direction , they’ll be ranked right behind RedExpress and Door Dash
FedEx has taken the exact opposite approach. They’re trying to get to the bottom of the barrel, filling their company with anyone who applies. RAJ , a person who has no idea how to run a route and is strictly a numbers guy takes over because Fred couldn’t do his own dirty work.
If fedex doesn’t change direction , they’ll be ranked right behind RedExpress and Door Dash
Good workers or bad workers given the slowing birth rates there simply might not be enough physical laborers to go around after awhile.
If you're a Ground contractor just exactly how do you explain to a prospective new hire the pay disparity in a way that would make sense to that individual? UPS is clearly headed toward the next decade while Fedex is still stuck in the last one.
Depends on how much damage control they’re willing to dish out. This company needs express not to collapse during the merge.
FedupExpress
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He would be insane to think Raj the merciful will grant a raise when he can't even afford diesel over 5 bucks.
Guitarman01
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If they knew a massive layoff was coming I don't think step raises would prove what their long term goals are one way or another. Sure will give you an extra dollar, it won't matter much in a couple years. That's one way to look at it. Only time will tell. I would think it would be a pretty delicate process regardless.
Guitarman01
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Lol if FedEx employees walked off the job they would. Union or not.
FedupExpress
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Express employees don't have the balls.
Ground wouldn't matter anyway, there's no shortage of cronies that will drive for ground.
Unless this contract has an equivalent productivity metrics for drivers , there is no way UPS can pass all that labor cost to customers and satisfy investors . Most likely,
UPS will probably have to layoff management and other non represented titles or reduce benefits significantly to keep up with 6 figure drivers . They will also have reduce hiring and stuff those trucks even more. If not the teamsters will suck that company dry.
Postal workers will benefit as it puts that management team on notice - even if its illegal for them to strike. Im sure letter carriers wont be happy with anything less than 40 bucks an hour top pay by 2028
it puts Fedex in a pretty pickle beceuse now even the lowest IQ worker is hyper aware how low fedex is paying. Low wages=A transient workforce=lower quality and service=less business. The Fedex business model of bagels and trinkets rather than take home just wont be enough.
My guess is fedex will try to payout a one time bonus this fall to stop some bleed of productive workers- it will not stop the bleed. Express will be dominated by expensive 25+ year geriatric employees with “nowhere to go” and transient employees . the fedex version of the teamster parasite is its legacy 30year drivers and management that cannot afford to retire
Maybe walmart or amazon will merge with fedex. But right mow fedex is dying slowly and its self inflicted
UPS will probably have to layoff management and other non represented titles or reduce benefits significantly to keep up with 6 figure drivers . They will also have reduce hiring and stuff those trucks even more. If not the teamsters will suck that company dry.
Postal workers will benefit as it puts that management team on notice - even if its illegal for them to strike. Im sure letter carriers wont be happy with anything less than 40 bucks an hour top pay by 2028
it puts Fedex in a pretty pickle beceuse now even the lowest IQ worker is hyper aware how low fedex is paying. Low wages=A transient workforce=lower quality and service=less business. The Fedex business model of bagels and trinkets rather than take home just wont be enough.
My guess is fedex will try to payout a one time bonus this fall to stop some bleed of productive workers- it will not stop the bleed. Express will be dominated by expensive 25+ year geriatric employees with “nowhere to go” and transient employees . the fedex version of the teamster parasite is its legacy 30year drivers and management that cannot afford to retire
Maybe walmart or amazon will merge with fedex. But right mow fedex is dying slowly and its self inflicted
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As a matter of fact, there is. They may start, but they don’t stay.
They also need Ground not to collapse.
So what you're saying is that UPS has become a freight network that is too expensive to operate successfully while FDX is a freight network that's simply too cheap to operate successfully.
Both are determined to acquire and hold onto a controlling share of the market. Who wins? We'll see in a few years.
FedupExpress
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You hit it on the nose!
From what I read FDX Express will be keeping only a very small force probably by and large part timers to handle expedited high value shipments. Ground will take the rest.
Anybody seeing anything different?
Could be happening fairly soon. Heard a rumor that we’ll be getting 2nd day freight after August 1.
Oh that sounds like the plan, but we are in the first 10% of it. Lets see if it makes it to completion. 25 years ago FDX was going all in at trucking with converters and pup trailers. We have not had a converter in our yard in 15 years. What happened to all the DC-10 conversions, all the Airbus planes, dense makes sense, best practice pays, purple promise, traditional and portable pensions, step programs, 2nd and 3rd shift pay, split shift pay, jumpseat, everyone is a 4/10, .....nah....nothing stays around very long at FDX. If this merge makes it all the way through I would be surprised. If Raj is still here in two years or in the same role and has not been moved to the head of FDX Office, I would be shocked.
Gone fishin
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UPS understands drivers are their most important assets , fed executives thinks it’s theirs elves
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