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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 823671" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Trip, </p><p> </p><p>It was YOU that introduced Bill Ayers to the conversation. This is what you said:</p><p> </p><p>"Well this piece just has to be gospel, coming from an ultra-liberal "educator" in an ultra-liberal rag...the Huffington Post. <strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Is this Rick Ayers the brother of Bill Ayers, 0's buddy? </span></strong></p><p>My point is not that what he says isn't correct or that he isn't due his opinion, just pointing out that it may be as biased as he says the film is. </p><p>I do have to wonder what he thought about Micheal Moore's documentaries. Since he used the phrase " inconvenient truth"</p><p> </p><p>I posted a quote from a couple of scholars, and you went political with it by associating BILL AYERS to the conversation as to diminish the point of the authors despite their own qualified opinions.</p><p> </p><p>Your use of Bill Ayers was nothing more than a backdoor attempt of using the rhetoric pumped out about Ayers by fox news channel to deflect criticism about the lame movie discussed on this topic.</p><p> </p><p>I simply took you to task and asked that you justify the negative association about Bill Ayers and not one of you could produce a single fact and one produced nothing more than supposition.</p><p> </p><p>You used the smear tactics on Bill Ayers to smear his brothers opinion on the movie. Its that simple.</p><p> </p><p>There are millions of liberals in this country, so you must hate millions of people, or you simply hate the liberals you are told to hate. Political affiliations have extremes on both sides, and each is dangerous.</p><p> </p><p>The right wing extremist are just as nuts as you believe the ultra left extremists are.</p><p> </p><p>As for Keith Obermann, I found him funny but not informing. He paid the price for his mistakes, something FOX does not do with its morons on air.</p><p> </p><p>If people only understood they are saying what they are told and believing what they are told without doing any fact checking, we wouldnt have so many arguements on this site.</p><p> </p><p>I believe I have demonstrated that Bill Ayers has done nothing wrong, has no criminal record of terrorism, has no convictions for bomb making, bomb planning or terrorist acts against the United States.</p><p> </p><p>You failed at trying to connect him as a terrorist to Obama and his brother Rick in order to discredit Rick Ayers opinion on the movie.</p><p> </p><p>Rick Ayers is a qualified person to comment on the movie:</p><p> </p><p>Rick Ayers is an Adjunct Professor in education at University of San Francisco and teaches at UC Berkeley. He is a PhD candidate in the Language, Literacy, and Culture program at the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Education. He received his Masters in Education at Mills College (1997) and taught at Berkeley High School from 1995 to 2006. He has worked as a Master Teacher for KQED Education Department, on the Teacher Advisory Board for Youth Speaks, as a teacher trainer for the Bay Area Writing Project, as a fellow at the Institute on Media and American Democracy, Harvard University, and as a core team member of the Diversity Project.</p><p> </p><p>Rick is co-editor of the series Between Teacher and Text (Teachers College Press) and of the book Zero Tolerance: Resisting the drive for punishment, A handbook for parents, students, educators and citizens (2001, New Press). He is co-author (with Amy Crawford) of Great Books for High School Kids: A Teacher’s Guide to Books That Can Change Teens’ Lives (2004, Beacon Press), author of Studs Terkel’s Working, a Teaching Guide (2000, New Press) and co-creator (with students) of the Berkeley High Slang Dictionary (self published 2000, North Atlantic Book published, 2003.) He is the author of numerous articles including “Both Sides of the Mic: Community Literacies in the Age of Hip Hop” in The Handbook of Research on Teaching Literacy through the Communicative and Visual Arts, “La Silent, What is To Be Done? Profile of a Chicana student in trouble,” in Democracy and Education, blogs on Huffingtonpost.com, and writes book reviews in the San Francisco Chronicle and Teachers College Record.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>You reject his opinion because FOX news tells you his brother is an ultra liberal?</p><p> </p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 823671, member: 17969"] Trip, It was YOU that introduced Bill Ayers to the conversation. This is what you said: "Well this piece just has to be gospel, coming from an ultra-liberal "educator" in an ultra-liberal rag...the Huffington Post. [B][SIZE=4]Is this Rick Ayers the brother of Bill Ayers, 0's buddy? [/SIZE][/B] My point is not that what he says isn't correct or that he isn't due his opinion, just pointing out that it may be as biased as he says the film is. I do have to wonder what he thought about Micheal Moore's documentaries. Since he used the phrase " inconvenient truth" I posted a quote from a couple of scholars, and you went political with it by associating BILL AYERS to the conversation as to diminish the point of the authors despite their own qualified opinions. Your use of Bill Ayers was nothing more than a backdoor attempt of using the rhetoric pumped out about Ayers by fox news channel to deflect criticism about the lame movie discussed on this topic. I simply took you to task and asked that you justify the negative association about Bill Ayers and not one of you could produce a single fact and one produced nothing more than supposition. You used the smear tactics on Bill Ayers to smear his brothers opinion on the movie. Its that simple. There are millions of liberals in this country, so you must hate millions of people, or you simply hate the liberals you are told to hate. Political affiliations have extremes on both sides, and each is dangerous. The right wing extremist are just as nuts as you believe the ultra left extremists are. As for Keith Obermann, I found him funny but not informing. He paid the price for his mistakes, something FOX does not do with its morons on air. If people only understood they are saying what they are told and believing what they are told without doing any fact checking, we wouldnt have so many arguements on this site. I believe I have demonstrated that Bill Ayers has done nothing wrong, has no criminal record of terrorism, has no convictions for bomb making, bomb planning or terrorist acts against the United States. You failed at trying to connect him as a terrorist to Obama and his brother Rick in order to discredit Rick Ayers opinion on the movie. Rick Ayers is a qualified person to comment on the movie: Rick Ayers is an Adjunct Professor in education at University of San Francisco and teaches at UC Berkeley. He is a PhD candidate in the Language, Literacy, and Culture program at the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Education. He received his Masters in Education at Mills College (1997) and taught at Berkeley High School from 1995 to 2006. He has worked as a Master Teacher for KQED Education Department, on the Teacher Advisory Board for Youth Speaks, as a teacher trainer for the Bay Area Writing Project, as a fellow at the Institute on Media and American Democracy, Harvard University, and as a core team member of the Diversity Project. Rick is co-editor of the series Between Teacher and Text (Teachers College Press) and of the book Zero Tolerance: Resisting the drive for punishment, A handbook for parents, students, educators and citizens (2001, New Press). He is co-author (with Amy Crawford) of Great Books for High School Kids: A Teacher’s Guide to Books That Can Change Teens’ Lives (2004, Beacon Press), author of Studs Terkel’s Working, a Teaching Guide (2000, New Press) and co-creator (with students) of the Berkeley High Slang Dictionary (self published 2000, North Atlantic Book published, 2003.) He is the author of numerous articles including “Both Sides of the Mic: Community Literacies in the Age of Hip Hop” in The Handbook of Research on Teaching Literacy through the Communicative and Visual Arts, “La Silent, What is To Be Done? Profile of a Chicana student in trouble,” in Democracy and Education, blogs on Huffingtonpost.com, and writes book reviews in the San Francisco Chronicle and Teachers College Record. You reject his opinion because FOX news tells you his brother is an ultra liberal? Peace. [/QUOTE]
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