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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 372823" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Tie,</p><p>I can't say there is hard, fast proof of direct Saudi gov't funding but Saudi Arabia's gov't is not in a typical sense of what we are use to in this country. The closest thing IMO that we might understand it here in the west is Nepotism on a rather grand scale. That said.</p><p> </p><p>The whole allegation got started when someone in the Pentagon said that money to insurgents in Iraq was coming from Saudi. Here's a more direct quote from a USA story on 10/21/2004'.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>link to USA article:</p><p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-21-insurgents-cash_x.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-21-insurgents-cash_x.htm</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>The assertion seemed to be that the Saudi gov't or Saudi royals if you will were "neglecting the problem" which suggests to me anyway that they knew. CNN also picked up on the story and had this <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/26/saudi.money.iraq/index.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/26/saudi.money.iraq/index.html</strong></span></a> which ironically was Oct. 26, 2004', the same day of the transcript as BS linked above which was posted by the Saudi Embassy at their website. </p><p> </p><p>After this story broke, the Saudi gov't hired a PR firm and TV and radio ads at the time were played across America as the Saudis tried to repair the damage. I remember seeing some of those commercials and hearing them on radio and I'd forgotten all about them until actually your and AV's comments made me go back and look again at BS's post and then look at the links.</p><p> </p><p>As to the actual comments at the Saudi Embassy website, the USA article along with others stirred the pot and Wolf Bliter did a story the evening on Oct. 26th which the transcript as I said is posted. Sen. Bob Graham had made the follwoing comments in light of these Pentagon allegations in which he said the following: direct from the transcript as reported by CNN reporter Zain Verjee</p><p> </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Then ADEL AL-JUBEIR, ADVISER TO SAUDI CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH responded when Blitzer asked him to respond to what Sen. Graham had to say. again direct quote from the transcript linked above.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">I highlighted the above statements in red to show that what AV quoted was exactly word for word. I won't disagree for one moment that Graham was out for political mileage but I'm not willing to disregard the allegations made by the Pentagon and released in a DIA report that even Blitzer refers to in the transcript. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Global Security reported at their website in July of 2005' on an official report to the Congress on Iraqi insurgent funding among the source countries mentioned was Saudi Arabia.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/07/iraq-050728-usia02.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/07/iraq-050728-usia02.htm</strong></span></a></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">It does not name or identify the Saudi gov't or royal family but it does leave open to question just how much effort they are putting into this "War on Terror!" Recently they did make some large scale arrests in country relating to alleged Al Qeada bomb threats to oil production facilities but did they do this more out of protecting their own source of wealth? We can only speculate. I said alleged referring to Al Qaeda but the fact is the Osama and friends want to bring down the Saudi royal family just as much as they do the west and for that fact just about all the other govt's on the Middle East countries. He sees them only as corrupt western puppets.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">You made the mistake of asking and since you and AV opened your mouths and got me curious, there's some of the history!</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Maybe next time you'll let sleeping dogs "LIE!"</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 372823, member: 2189"] Tie, I can't say there is hard, fast proof of direct Saudi gov't funding but Saudi Arabia's gov't is not in a typical sense of what we are use to in this country. The closest thing IMO that we might understand it here in the west is Nepotism on a rather grand scale. That said. The whole allegation got started when someone in the Pentagon said that money to insurgents in Iraq was coming from Saudi. Here's a more direct quote from a USA story on 10/21/2004'. link to USA article: [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-21-insurgents-cash_x.htm"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-21-insurgents-cash_x.htm[/B][/COLOR][/URL] The assertion seemed to be that the Saudi gov't or Saudi royals if you will were "neglecting the problem" which suggests to me anyway that they knew. CNN also picked up on the story and had this [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/26/saudi.money.iraq/index.html"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/26/saudi.money.iraq/index.html[/B][/COLOR][/URL] which ironically was Oct. 26, 2004', the same day of the transcript as BS linked above which was posted by the Saudi Embassy at their website. After this story broke, the Saudi gov't hired a PR firm and TV and radio ads at the time were played across America as the Saudis tried to repair the damage. I remember seeing some of those commercials and hearing them on radio and I'd forgotten all about them until actually your and AV's comments made me go back and look again at BS's post and then look at the links. As to the actual comments at the Saudi Embassy website, the USA article along with others stirred the pot and Wolf Bliter did a story the evening on Oct. 26th which the transcript as I said is posted. Sen. Bob Graham had made the follwoing comments in light of these Pentagon allegations in which he said the following: direct from the transcript as reported by CNN reporter Zain Verjee [INDENT] Then ADEL AL-JUBEIR, ADVISER TO SAUDI CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH responded when Blitzer asked him to respond to what Sen. Graham had to say. again direct quote from the transcript linked above. I highlighted the above statements in red to show that what AV quoted was exactly word for word. I won't disagree for one moment that Graham was out for political mileage but I'm not willing to disregard the allegations made by the Pentagon and released in a DIA report that even Blitzer refers to in the transcript. Global Security reported at their website in July of 2005' on an official report to the Congress on Iraqi insurgent funding among the source countries mentioned was Saudi Arabia. [URL="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/07/iraq-050728-usia02.htm"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2005/07/iraq-050728-usia02.htm[/B][/COLOR][/URL] It does not name or identify the Saudi gov't or royal family but it does leave open to question just how much effort they are putting into this "War on Terror!" Recently they did make some large scale arrests in country relating to alleged Al Qeada bomb threats to oil production facilities but did they do this more out of protecting their own source of wealth? We can only speculate. I said alleged referring to Al Qaeda but the fact is the Osama and friends want to bring down the Saudi royal family just as much as they do the west and for that fact just about all the other govt's on the Middle East countries. He sees them only as corrupt western puppets. You made the mistake of asking and since you and AV opened your mouths and got me curious, there's some of the history! :wink2: Maybe next time you'll let sleeping dogs "LIE!" :happy-very::happy-very::happy-very: [/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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