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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 373619" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Understand the history of the Arab/Persian, Sunni/Shia and the clarity of the answers are unbelievable.</p><p> </p><p>You and Tie made comments that provoked me to go back and look at what BS said and his links which to be quite honest I had completely ignored. No offense BS because you did make some good points. That said however, I went back and looked a bit deeper into the matter and thus you have the post I made. </p><p> </p><p>As to the Saudi's and weapons? In all fairness to you AV, I don't see myself having siad that but if so then pardon me, it was not my intent. </p><p>To quote me from the post in question:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>However I do have my doubts and from your post sounds like we share in that fact.</p><p> </p><p>I do howeve believe the Saudi's were flowing in money but not for the reasons being spun. From the news of that time, sounds like the Pentagon and a DIA report were comingto the same conclusion. Maybe you should take issue with you higher command!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> Laughing with ya not at ya.</p><p> </p><p>Again, you have to understand the underlying context of the Sunni/Shia conflict (as well as the Arab/Jew history) and then Saudi money flow makes sense and from their POV seems reasonable. Even our own gov't at that time was flowing in arms, <strong><u>unintended consequences maybe</u></strong> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/05/AR2007080501299.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/05/AR2007080501299.html</strong></span></a> and again, if you understand the Sunni/Shia context you'll understand why and no it wasn't about Al -Qaeda as much as some in gov't like to spin that story. </p><p> </p><p>Had the truth been told, it's possible many Americans who hold an anti-Iranian POV may in fact agree with it. I mean the Israeli's did and why do think the Saudi's have been silent and I mean completely silent concerning the recent talk about Israel and the US attacking Iran? Objections from a country who loaned billions in the 1980's to Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran? Study into that issue and understand how all of that caused the Kuwait invasion and the nearly 20 year conflict with Iraq. </p><p> </p><p>This is way beyond Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda, WMD and even oil. I've said before you have to understand the history and tradition of the region but you also have to read the dry, terribily boring research and white papers of the policy wonks that run gov't. Whoever the Presdient is can't even tie his own shoes without some wonk telling him just the exact way in order to effect some outcome. It's all about the mechanitile state these days.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 373619, member: 2189"] Understand the history of the Arab/Persian, Sunni/Shia and the clarity of the answers are unbelievable. You and Tie made comments that provoked me to go back and look at what BS said and his links which to be quite honest I had completely ignored. No offense BS because you did make some good points. That said however, I went back and looked a bit deeper into the matter and thus you have the post I made. As to the Saudi's and weapons? In all fairness to you AV, I don't see myself having siad that but if so then pardon me, it was not my intent. To quote me from the post in question: However I do have my doubts and from your post sounds like we share in that fact. I do howeve believe the Saudi's were flowing in money but not for the reasons being spun. From the news of that time, sounds like the Pentagon and a DIA report were comingto the same conclusion. Maybe you should take issue with you higher command! :happy-very: Laughing with ya not at ya. Again, you have to understand the underlying context of the Sunni/Shia conflict (as well as the Arab/Jew history) and then Saudi money flow makes sense and from their POV seems reasonable. Even our own gov't at that time was flowing in arms, [B][U]unintended consequences maybe[/U][/B] [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/05/AR2007080501299.html"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/05/AR2007080501299.html[/B][/COLOR][/URL] and again, if you understand the Sunni/Shia context you'll understand why and no it wasn't about Al -Qaeda as much as some in gov't like to spin that story. Had the truth been told, it's possible many Americans who hold an anti-Iranian POV may in fact agree with it. I mean the Israeli's did and why do think the Saudi's have been silent and I mean completely silent concerning the recent talk about Israel and the US attacking Iran? Objections from a country who loaned billions in the 1980's to Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran? Study into that issue and understand how all of that caused the Kuwait invasion and the nearly 20 year conflict with Iraq. This is way beyond Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda, WMD and even oil. I've said before you have to understand the history and tradition of the region but you also have to read the dry, terribily boring research and white papers of the policy wonks that run gov't. Whoever the Presdient is can't even tie his own shoes without some wonk telling him just the exact way in order to effect some outcome. It's all about the mechanitile state these days. [/QUOTE]
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