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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 373636" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Since we're talking War or as FDR would famously say, "WHAR!" and with Obama making his big speech in Berlin, I read this at Truthdig yesterday that IMO covers a lot of interesting ground.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080722_obama_on_the_brink" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080722_obama_on_the_brink</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I can see where some admissions by Zbigniew Brzezinski may cause some upset here among some of the Donkey loyalist! And what Robert Gates, from Carter advisor and now Bush Sec. of Defense said of that era should peg the needle! </p><p> </p><p>At the same time, contary to popular myth, Carter also had a hand in the fall of the Soviet empire with the Carter doctrine concerning the Persian Gulf and Gates correctly documents that fact. It was the Carter Doctrine spelled out in the 1980' State of the Union address that proclaimed US claim to the Persain Gulf region that we would protect at all cost. This launched CIA ops in Afghanistan (or rather ex post facto authorized) to stop the Soviet march towards access to the Gulf and it's own ideas about oil and their own pipeline. </p><p> </p><p>It was this economic weapon that further eroded Soviet strenght which made Reagan's rouse of Star Wars work even more effectively. Reagan in many ways finished what Carter started in downfall of the USSR but we credit Reagan for it all. At the same time Clinton started the downfall of Saddam when he signed into law in October 98' the Iraq Liberation Act that called for Regime change in Iraq. His first strike was in Dec. of 98' with operation Desert Fox and although the stated goals were to drive Saddam to comply with certain international demands, IMHO it's true underlying goal was to provoke Saddam into a rash response that would justify an all out US invasion all to the liking of the Bush era neocons at Project for New American Century and their infamous letter sent to Clinton earlier in 98' calling for an invasion. The dummie spinners (we being the dummies) are in the meantime running around yelling "wag the dog", "wag the dog" which in hindsight for the wonks was great cover. You think for one moment the neocons wanted to be seen in some alliance with Clinton and visa versa over foreign policy strategic thinking and economics?</p><p> </p><p>I'm telling ya folks, these guys are all on the same team but only roadblock long enough to get in power themselves so they can take the credit. Why do you think Congress lockeddown this week over doing something about oil? Neither side wanted the other to get election mileage from it. And in the meantime?</p><p> </p><p>Wake up people!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 373636, member: 2189"] Since we're talking War or as FDR would famously say, "WHAR!" and with Obama making his big speech in Berlin, I read this at Truthdig yesterday that IMO covers a lot of interesting ground. [URL="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080722_obama_on_the_brink"][COLOR=red][B]http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080722_obama_on_the_brink[/B][/COLOR][/URL] I can see where some admissions by Zbigniew Brzezinski may cause some upset here among some of the Donkey loyalist! And what Robert Gates, from Carter advisor and now Bush Sec. of Defense said of that era should peg the needle! At the same time, contary to popular myth, Carter also had a hand in the fall of the Soviet empire with the Carter doctrine concerning the Persian Gulf and Gates correctly documents that fact. It was the Carter Doctrine spelled out in the 1980' State of the Union address that proclaimed US claim to the Persain Gulf region that we would protect at all cost. This launched CIA ops in Afghanistan (or rather ex post facto authorized) to stop the Soviet march towards access to the Gulf and it's own ideas about oil and their own pipeline. It was this economic weapon that further eroded Soviet strenght which made Reagan's rouse of Star Wars work even more effectively. Reagan in many ways finished what Carter started in downfall of the USSR but we credit Reagan for it all. At the same time Clinton started the downfall of Saddam when he signed into law in October 98' the Iraq Liberation Act that called for Regime change in Iraq. His first strike was in Dec. of 98' with operation Desert Fox and although the stated goals were to drive Saddam to comply with certain international demands, IMHO it's true underlying goal was to provoke Saddam into a rash response that would justify an all out US invasion all to the liking of the Bush era neocons at Project for New American Century and their infamous letter sent to Clinton earlier in 98' calling for an invasion. The dummie spinners (we being the dummies) are in the meantime running around yelling "wag the dog", "wag the dog" which in hindsight for the wonks was great cover. You think for one moment the neocons wanted to be seen in some alliance with Clinton and visa versa over foreign policy strategic thinking and economics? I'm telling ya folks, these guys are all on the same team but only roadblock long enough to get in power themselves so they can take the credit. Why do you think Congress lockeddown this week over doing something about oil? Neither side wanted the other to get election mileage from it. And in the meantime? Wake up people! [/QUOTE]
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