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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 201866" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>My guess is no matter what is said or posted that would happen regardless.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I myself don't believe man in and of himself is solely the cause of global warming. For one it's a known factor that the sun has grown hotter and is currently in a cycle of increased activity making the earth feel hotter. Is that the sole cause of the warming? Nope. It's a contributing factor and if we stopped all human activity today some effects of heating would still be felt. </p><p> </p><p>Do humans contribute in any way shape or form? Sure we do but I also think the cause being this or that of human activity is very narrow. For example, CO2 gas is a known contributor of the green house effect but there is wide disagreement as to what extent. </p><p> </p><p>Let's say for the moment it's not to the extreme of being a globe killer but not to the other extreme of being no impact at all but a somewhere in the middle. What I see being a large impact to this scenario is the fact that as we've grown not only here in America but as we've expanded our commercial/economic footprint across the global (and I'm not suggesting this a good or bad thing either) other areas of the world have developed. What happens is forest and other plantlife are taken down and the land developed for other human usage which involves building, concrete and other impervious surfaces. Now regarding the plants themselves, they being consumers of CO2 and producers of O2, this cycle is no long in play. Since there is a decrease of nature's ability to wash CO2 from the atmosphere, it's logical there would be a build up. Now again, there is wide agrument on just how big this picture comes into play so again like many of the other arguments it's not conclusive. </p><p> </p><p>However there is a part in this rarely discussed that I do think does play a factor. As we develop and spread we then to laydown more concrete and other impervious surfaces that act as large scale heat sinks because of their thermal mass properties. For example, here in the Atlanta area we've seen our area go from the early 70's of being a large rural kinda town to a massive metro area that many refer as on scale to greater LA area in southern California a few years back. A lot is traffic comparision but I'm not sure even LA had as stupid of traffic planners as we have. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /> In all those years with all the concrete laid down we've also seen the temps go up to the point that in the summertime because of the city heat sink it acutally drives it's own weather. So many times we've seen large rain systems come in from the west only to literally divide and split and then once the whole system passes Atlanta the whole closes back up to reform the solid rainline from north to south. I can't tell you the cussing I've done in the summer when the grass and garden need rain and then to see it disappear into thin air to only reappear once to the east. The weather service as well as Ga. Tech. and others have documented this heat sink effect. Now it helps in the winter to as the city will always be 5 to 10 degrees warmer than the outter lying areas and it's clearly seen on any nightly weather forecast. If your rural areas beitween large scale concrete heat sinks of the cities get smaller and smaller, there's less cooling potential in the ambient air at night and then the overall temps of these heat sinks build and build so that you have little if any cooling effect at night. </p><p> </p><p>Do I purpose stop all building and development? How in the world could I square that to a much greater belief in private property rights of the individual? What I do think we need to do is not focus on a single lone gunman of the problem so to speak but look at a vastly larger picture and see what could be done there and hard analysis of causes. Ironically, many environmentalist are joining the ranks of Nuke power advocates because for one it's green and it in some cases stops the use of energy sources that in some ways feeds the Middle East or those who profiteer from the region. Theres a solution to problems on 2 different fronts but where is either party on this? No where to be found that I see!</p><p> </p><p>Until the debate stops this narrow focus and opens it wide open to all possible potentials and answers then it will degenerate down into a childish politicals debate where nothing get's thrown out but insults and the opportunity for some to show the rest how childish they can be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 201866, member: 2189"] My guess is no matter what is said or posted that would happen regardless. I myself don't believe man in and of himself is solely the cause of global warming. For one it's a known factor that the sun has grown hotter and is currently in a cycle of increased activity making the earth feel hotter. Is that the sole cause of the warming? Nope. It's a contributing factor and if we stopped all human activity today some effects of heating would still be felt. Do humans contribute in any way shape or form? Sure we do but I also think the cause being this or that of human activity is very narrow. For example, CO2 gas is a known contributor of the green house effect but there is wide disagreement as to what extent. Let's say for the moment it's not to the extreme of being a globe killer but not to the other extreme of being no impact at all but a somewhere in the middle. What I see being a large impact to this scenario is the fact that as we've grown not only here in America but as we've expanded our commercial/economic footprint across the global (and I'm not suggesting this a good or bad thing either) other areas of the world have developed. What happens is forest and other plantlife are taken down and the land developed for other human usage which involves building, concrete and other impervious surfaces. Now regarding the plants themselves, they being consumers of CO2 and producers of O2, this cycle is no long in play. Since there is a decrease of nature's ability to wash CO2 from the atmosphere, it's logical there would be a build up. Now again, there is wide agrument on just how big this picture comes into play so again like many of the other arguments it's not conclusive. However there is a part in this rarely discussed that I do think does play a factor. As we develop and spread we then to laydown more concrete and other impervious surfaces that act as large scale heat sinks because of their thermal mass properties. For example, here in the Atlanta area we've seen our area go from the early 70's of being a large rural kinda town to a massive metro area that many refer as on scale to greater LA area in southern California a few years back. A lot is traffic comparision but I'm not sure even LA had as stupid of traffic planners as we have. :wink: In all those years with all the concrete laid down we've also seen the temps go up to the point that in the summertime because of the city heat sink it acutally drives it's own weather. So many times we've seen large rain systems come in from the west only to literally divide and split and then once the whole system passes Atlanta the whole closes back up to reform the solid rainline from north to south. I can't tell you the cussing I've done in the summer when the grass and garden need rain and then to see it disappear into thin air to only reappear once to the east. The weather service as well as Ga. Tech. and others have documented this heat sink effect. Now it helps in the winter to as the city will always be 5 to 10 degrees warmer than the outter lying areas and it's clearly seen on any nightly weather forecast. If your rural areas beitween large scale concrete heat sinks of the cities get smaller and smaller, there's less cooling potential in the ambient air at night and then the overall temps of these heat sinks build and build so that you have little if any cooling effect at night. Do I purpose stop all building and development? How in the world could I square that to a much greater belief in private property rights of the individual? What I do think we need to do is not focus on a single lone gunman of the problem so to speak but look at a vastly larger picture and see what could be done there and hard analysis of causes. Ironically, many environmentalist are joining the ranks of Nuke power advocates because for one it's green and it in some cases stops the use of energy sources that in some ways feeds the Middle East or those who profiteer from the region. Theres a solution to problems on 2 different fronts but where is either party on this? No where to be found that I see! Until the debate stops this narrow focus and opens it wide open to all possible potentials and answers then it will degenerate down into a childish politicals debate where nothing get's thrown out but insults and the opportunity for some to show the rest how childish they can be. [/QUOTE]
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