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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 201917" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Absolutely on the SUV. Calculate the volumetric total of a single cylinder cycle and then expand to 8. Also large engines tend to have to turn at lower RPMs because of the larger operating mass and the physics of centrifical forces whereas smaller engines turn more rpms to burn the same amounts of fuel needed to propel an object forward. We have a large SUV (3/4 ton to be exact) but we have 6 in our family and our kids are musicians who play gigs on a fairly regular basis. We need the vehicle to haul a trailer full of guitars, amps, drums, PA gear, musicians, roadies and sound tech (I'm the roadie, sound tech and chauffer driver) and to do this in small vehicles would require 3 as we had to do one time when the Suv was in the shop and yes we used more gas and I'm sure added more pollution than we would have with the SUV. Now my back and forth to work car in a little small car because UPS doesn't have work schedules (not their fault either IMO) that allows for car pooling. I'd love to do that but depending on the number I might have to roll back into the SUV but how many cars would come off the road as a result? The beast seats 8 so if I could take me plus another 7, getting those 7 cars off the road and you calculate the amount of CO2 saved from the atomsphere, my SUV becomes a "green machine."</p><p> </p><p>A small car does fine with small loads but greatly expand that load and the volumetic efficency goes way down. Here's what I generally throw out at the anti-SUVer's. </p><p> </p><p>"So the sheer size of the vehicle and the large size engine makes this method of transport a large scale polluter, extremely fuel inefficent and a threat to public safety because of it's size hazard." They general jump up with a "Yes! Yes! Yes!" like I've now left the great unwashed and joined the winning team. You gotta get em' on the line before you set the hook you know. </p><p> </p><p>At this point I'm about to be baptised and given holy communion in the First Church of Holy Tree Huggin (that's pretty good ain't it, I made that up too all on my own) but then I commit an act of excommunication when I do the following. </p><p> </p><p>"I just realized we can't stop there, we've got to outlaw public and mass transit too! All those big buses just have to go as they are even worse fuel wasters and polluters than the SUV's. We'll have to fire all those bus drivers and other employees working for these gov't mass transit systems but the money we save we can cut taxes so that people can buy more smaller cars to put on the road and sure poor people will just have to find another way to get around but just think of all the positive enviromental impact we will have. Maybe with the tax cut they can buy new walking shoes or a pair of skates. Hey I see the cable company is over at your house working. You need to put a stop to that because look at the size of his work truck he's driving. What a nasty that is! You're just gonna have to do without cable because the environment just can't stand that kind of impact pressure from that service truck coming out to keep you in TV land. </p><p>Wow! I'm starting to like this new found approach. Hey what's that in your hand? A grocery list! Oh No! You can't go and support the grocery store because not only will you waste gas and pollute going there but think of all the pollution being generated getting those groceries to you at the store. You need to get some hand shovels, rakes and hoes and dig and plant your own garden and feed yourself and never ever again step foot in those aweful polluting grocery stores!"</p><p> </p><p>In other words Big, go to the extreme and it doesn't take long before they start running away from you but make sure you keep a straight face and run after them not letting up. After a while you can fall to the ground and just laugh your Arse off at the whole thing. Do it man, I'm telling you it's a blast to hook em' in and land em' in the boat. I do catch and release however!</p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p> </p><p>BTW: You can also calculate the fuel used per compression stroke per vehicle and also get enough data to rough calculate the emmissions and do some side by side comparisions of small car to large SUV's. Now with a lone single occupant in both, the small car wins hands down. But start adding people to both and the small car does not always win. One thing that they argue by assumption is that each vehicle only has the lone driver and no passengers. Don't always sit back and accept those parameters of the argument because that is not always so in all cases.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 201917, member: 2189"] Absolutely on the SUV. Calculate the volumetric total of a single cylinder cycle and then expand to 8. Also large engines tend to have to turn at lower RPMs because of the larger operating mass and the physics of centrifical forces whereas smaller engines turn more rpms to burn the same amounts of fuel needed to propel an object forward. We have a large SUV (3/4 ton to be exact) but we have 6 in our family and our kids are musicians who play gigs on a fairly regular basis. We need the vehicle to haul a trailer full of guitars, amps, drums, PA gear, musicians, roadies and sound tech (I'm the roadie, sound tech and chauffer driver) and to do this in small vehicles would require 3 as we had to do one time when the Suv was in the shop and yes we used more gas and I'm sure added more pollution than we would have with the SUV. Now my back and forth to work car in a little small car because UPS doesn't have work schedules (not their fault either IMO) that allows for car pooling. I'd love to do that but depending on the number I might have to roll back into the SUV but how many cars would come off the road as a result? The beast seats 8 so if I could take me plus another 7, getting those 7 cars off the road and you calculate the amount of CO2 saved from the atomsphere, my SUV becomes a "green machine." A small car does fine with small loads but greatly expand that load and the volumetic efficency goes way down. Here's what I generally throw out at the anti-SUVer's. "So the sheer size of the vehicle and the large size engine makes this method of transport a large scale polluter, extremely fuel inefficent and a threat to public safety because of it's size hazard." They general jump up with a "Yes! Yes! Yes!" like I've now left the great unwashed and joined the winning team. You gotta get em' on the line before you set the hook you know. At this point I'm about to be baptised and given holy communion in the First Church of Holy Tree Huggin (that's pretty good ain't it, I made that up too all on my own) but then I commit an act of excommunication when I do the following. "I just realized we can't stop there, we've got to outlaw public and mass transit too! All those big buses just have to go as they are even worse fuel wasters and polluters than the SUV's. We'll have to fire all those bus drivers and other employees working for these gov't mass transit systems but the money we save we can cut taxes so that people can buy more smaller cars to put on the road and sure poor people will just have to find another way to get around but just think of all the positive enviromental impact we will have. Maybe with the tax cut they can buy new walking shoes or a pair of skates. Hey I see the cable company is over at your house working. You need to put a stop to that because look at the size of his work truck he's driving. What a nasty that is! You're just gonna have to do without cable because the environment just can't stand that kind of impact pressure from that service truck coming out to keep you in TV land. Wow! I'm starting to like this new found approach. Hey what's that in your hand? A grocery list! Oh No! You can't go and support the grocery store because not only will you waste gas and pollute going there but think of all the pollution being generated getting those groceries to you at the store. You need to get some hand shovels, rakes and hoes and dig and plant your own garden and feed yourself and never ever again step foot in those aweful polluting grocery stores!" In other words Big, go to the extreme and it doesn't take long before they start running away from you but make sure you keep a straight face and run after them not letting up. After a while you can fall to the ground and just laugh your Arse off at the whole thing. Do it man, I'm telling you it's a blast to hook em' in and land em' in the boat. I do catch and release however! :lol: BTW: You can also calculate the fuel used per compression stroke per vehicle and also get enough data to rough calculate the emmissions and do some side by side comparisions of small car to large SUV's. Now with a lone single occupant in both, the small car wins hands down. But start adding people to both and the small car does not always win. One thing that they argue by assumption is that each vehicle only has the lone driver and no passengers. Don't always sit back and accept those parameters of the argument because that is not always so in all cases. [/QUOTE]
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