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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 202870" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Diesel,</p><p></p><p>I saw something this morning that makes me wonder if the democratic side may not be starting to fall apart with it's core base. Cindy Sheehan has announced she is retiring so to speak for the anti-war movement and she had some awefully harsh words for the democrats and let it be known in no uncertain terms she was through with them. Now granted Cindy in not the party base by any stretch but the recent Iraq spending bill and the democrat failure to at the least have some kind of timeline in the mix maybe a deal breaker within some elements of the democrat voting core.</p><p></p><p>I would agree the so-called ultra right is not going to place itself anywhere in the mix come 08' or at least that element that has proposed war at any cost but where that leaves us no one can tell. Also what you can't not count on is the Gingrich or the Fred Thompson factor. These guys are seen (right or wrongly) as a conservative especially on the fiscal side of things and they may be remembered more for what was done from say 94' till about 97' than what happened after the fact and the excess that took place. </p><p></p><p>From the fiscal argument, they can and likely will blame GW and company for the fiscal excess and sell themselves as the savior to return our gov't to a more limited role in American life. Now I've known New't since he began in National politics back in the late 70's and he was my Congressman in his years as speaker and he's no rookie by any stretch although I don't trust him and never have since I saw him in the early 80's behind the scenes trying to outst what was at the time one of the most conservative proponents of VERY limited federal gov't there was in the late Larry McDonald. His reason? Larry was a democrat! Newt was all about party whereas Larry was about principle as it comes with politicians at this level. Newt also IMO showed his true colors when Clinton and even Al Gore spoke of changing Social Security into some type of private system but Newt and his cronies shut it down and instead wasted time on going after Bill for getting a knob job. A real chance to move principle and instead they thought only of themselves. That's true colors folks IMO.</p><p></p><p>Newt and Fred both are watching to see if the otherside fractionalizes and divides before they make a move because on the republican side, you've got a class of at best, 3rd stringers running IMO. If the other side of the isle divides, then watch for either Newt or Fred to jump in and you can bet they saw Cindy Sheehan's announcement this morning and their mouths began to water. </p><p></p><p>Diesel, before you breakout the bubbly, you'd better watch your party core base and what Newt and Fred do!</p><p></p><p>JMO</p><p></p><p>If things fragment, it is very possible a 3rd party could emerge and play a very important role in the 08' elections.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 202870, member: 2189"] Diesel, I saw something this morning that makes me wonder if the democratic side may not be starting to fall apart with it's core base. Cindy Sheehan has announced she is retiring so to speak for the anti-war movement and she had some awefully harsh words for the democrats and let it be known in no uncertain terms she was through with them. Now granted Cindy in not the party base by any stretch but the recent Iraq spending bill and the democrat failure to at the least have some kind of timeline in the mix maybe a deal breaker within some elements of the democrat voting core. I would agree the so-called ultra right is not going to place itself anywhere in the mix come 08' or at least that element that has proposed war at any cost but where that leaves us no one can tell. Also what you can't not count on is the Gingrich or the Fred Thompson factor. These guys are seen (right or wrongly) as a conservative especially on the fiscal side of things and they may be remembered more for what was done from say 94' till about 97' than what happened after the fact and the excess that took place. From the fiscal argument, they can and likely will blame GW and company for the fiscal excess and sell themselves as the savior to return our gov't to a more limited role in American life. Now I've known New't since he began in National politics back in the late 70's and he was my Congressman in his years as speaker and he's no rookie by any stretch although I don't trust him and never have since I saw him in the early 80's behind the scenes trying to outst what was at the time one of the most conservative proponents of VERY limited federal gov't there was in the late Larry McDonald. His reason? Larry was a democrat! Newt was all about party whereas Larry was about principle as it comes with politicians at this level. Newt also IMO showed his true colors when Clinton and even Al Gore spoke of changing Social Security into some type of private system but Newt and his cronies shut it down and instead wasted time on going after Bill for getting a knob job. A real chance to move principle and instead they thought only of themselves. That's true colors folks IMO. Newt and Fred both are watching to see if the otherside fractionalizes and divides before they make a move because on the republican side, you've got a class of at best, 3rd stringers running IMO. If the other side of the isle divides, then watch for either Newt or Fred to jump in and you can bet they saw Cindy Sheehan's announcement this morning and their mouths began to water. Diesel, before you breakout the bubbly, you'd better watch your party core base and what Newt and Fred do! JMO If things fragment, it is very possible a 3rd party could emerge and play a very important role in the 08' elections. [/QUOTE]
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