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<blockquote data-quote="Ricochet1a" data-source="post: 1113912" data-attributes="member: 22880"><p>Well, I hate to break the bad news, but specifics are VITAL if the IAM is going to become the 'union of choice'. I HEAVILY suspect at this point they are going to do the same thing as the IBT - sit back and wait for signed rep cards to come in, then make a decision as to whether or not to actually pursue an organization drive or let things 'wilt on the vine' if the numbers of cards coming in isn't enough. </p><p></p><p>You've GOT to get specifics, and you're going to have to communicate those here. </p><p></p><p>#1 Are they willing to publicly announce that they are undertaking an attempt to organize the Couriers of Express? (It would make national news if they were to make such an announcement).</p><p></p><p>#2 In the absence of a national announcement, are they going to commit organizers to work with the Couriers in building 'network', to overcome the primary obstacle of the RLA - in that organizing is done on a national level basis and not local?</p><p></p><p>#3 Will they provide literature for station level hand billing by Express Couriers, or will the Couriers have to make up their own hand bills to pass out?</p><p></p><p>#4 Will they establish a website for station level organizers (Express Couriers) to communicate methods of literature distribution, Express management counter moves and some form of 'count' as to how much progress is being made in getting cards in (all privately of course)?</p><p></p><p>On the positive side, the IAM is under AFL-CIO while the IBT is under CTW, so there aren't too many 'jurisdictional issues' at stake since they are affiliated with separate organizations.</p><p></p><p>On the down side, the IAM is about one-third the size of the IBT (fewer resources), they specialize in mechanics and they haven't stepped up to the plate on their own to attempt to organize the Express Couriers. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are missing one thing. The IAM does have the ability for people to 'electronically' fill in the information to the rep card - BUT, by law, they (and all unions) have to get a physically SIGNED card from the person for it to count for petition purposes. This means that the IAM would then have to turn around, send out yet another card for people to physically sign. <u>Are they going to follow through on this??</u></p><p><u></u></p><p><u></u>If you hand out a physical card for someone to sign - then the need for signature is taken care of once they sign and send it in. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you get someone's personal email for the purpose of labor organizing - you might as well have them sign a real rep card and then just direct them HERE or to some other website (which of yet doesn't exist). </p><p></p><p>If you are saying, "get the IAM the emails of all Express Courier so that they may directly send them electronic literature", - then go for it. </p><p></p><p>What you are more or less suggesting, is that the Couriers generate for the IAM an electronic "Excelsior list" (Google it), and let the IAM have at it. Getting a list of email addresses may be the 'backdoor' method of generating such a list - so it sounds good to me. Station management would be caught completely unaware if a Couriers is asking for email addresses from all the station Couriers. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The only caution I have, is that this expectation that the IAM will somehow 'come to the rescue' when the IBT choose to cut and run. That is why getting SPECIFICS up here is going to be needed in order for the Couriers <em>en mass</em> to completely walk from the IBT and give the IAM a try. </p><p></p><p>My 'concern' is that if this does happen, then 9 months from now the IAM decides that enough cards haven't been received for them to take serious interest - that 9 months will have been lost and the game will be over for the Express Couriers. You've read the posting from the individual in Memphis that took a buyout - he has indicated the same thing as I, that Express is in the midst of radically altering its workforce characteristics and within 2 years at tops - the need for 'traditional Couriers' will be gone. Time is something you DON'T have to play with.</p><p></p><p>What I'd suggest, is that you hand out cards to BOTH the IAM and IBT. Someone can sign a rep card for as many different unions as they want - there is no restriction on only being able to sign a rep card for just one union. Then... let those who are signing make the decision as to whether to sign one, both or neither. </p><p></p><p>Another benefit of doing this, would be the fact that the IBT might just be motivated to get off their asses, and step up to the plate. Use some old fashioned 'open market principles' and let the unions compete against each other (happens all the time out there).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ricochet1a, post: 1113912, member: 22880"] Well, I hate to break the bad news, but specifics are VITAL if the IAM is going to become the 'union of choice'. I HEAVILY suspect at this point they are going to do the same thing as the IBT - sit back and wait for signed rep cards to come in, then make a decision as to whether or not to actually pursue an organization drive or let things 'wilt on the vine' if the numbers of cards coming in isn't enough. You've GOT to get specifics, and you're going to have to communicate those here. #1 Are they willing to publicly announce that they are undertaking an attempt to organize the Couriers of Express? (It would make national news if they were to make such an announcement). #2 In the absence of a national announcement, are they going to commit organizers to work with the Couriers in building 'network', to overcome the primary obstacle of the RLA - in that organizing is done on a national level basis and not local? #3 Will they provide literature for station level hand billing by Express Couriers, or will the Couriers have to make up their own hand bills to pass out? #4 Will they establish a website for station level organizers (Express Couriers) to communicate methods of literature distribution, Express management counter moves and some form of 'count' as to how much progress is being made in getting cards in (all privately of course)? On the positive side, the IAM is under AFL-CIO while the IBT is under CTW, so there aren't too many 'jurisdictional issues' at stake since they are affiliated with separate organizations. On the down side, the IAM is about one-third the size of the IBT (fewer resources), they specialize in mechanics and they haven't stepped up to the plate on their own to attempt to organize the Express Couriers. You are missing one thing. The IAM does have the ability for people to 'electronically' fill in the information to the rep card - BUT, by law, they (and all unions) have to get a physically SIGNED card from the person for it to count for petition purposes. This means that the IAM would then have to turn around, send out yet another card for people to physically sign. [U]Are they going to follow through on this?? [/U]If you hand out a physical card for someone to sign - then the need for signature is taken care of once they sign and send it in. If you get someone's personal email for the purpose of labor organizing - you might as well have them sign a real rep card and then just direct them HERE or to some other website (which of yet doesn't exist). If you are saying, "get the IAM the emails of all Express Courier so that they may directly send them electronic literature", - then go for it. What you are more or less suggesting, is that the Couriers generate for the IAM an electronic "Excelsior list" (Google it), and let the IAM have at it. Getting a list of email addresses may be the 'backdoor' method of generating such a list - so it sounds good to me. Station management would be caught completely unaware if a Couriers is asking for email addresses from all the station Couriers. The only caution I have, is that this expectation that the IAM will somehow 'come to the rescue' when the IBT choose to cut and run. That is why getting SPECIFICS up here is going to be needed in order for the Couriers [I]en mass[/I] to completely walk from the IBT and give the IAM a try. My 'concern' is that if this does happen, then 9 months from now the IAM decides that enough cards haven't been received for them to take serious interest - that 9 months will have been lost and the game will be over for the Express Couriers. You've read the posting from the individual in Memphis that took a buyout - he has indicated the same thing as I, that Express is in the midst of radically altering its workforce characteristics and within 2 years at tops - the need for 'traditional Couriers' will be gone. Time is something you DON'T have to play with. What I'd suggest, is that you hand out cards to BOTH the IAM and IBT. Someone can sign a rep card for as many different unions as they want - there is no restriction on only being able to sign a rep card for just one union. Then... let those who are signing make the decision as to whether to sign one, both or neither. Another benefit of doing this, would be the fact that the IBT might just be motivated to get off their asses, and step up to the plate. Use some old fashioned 'open market principles' and let the unions compete against each other (happens all the time out there). [/QUOTE]
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