Indecisi0n
Well-Known Member
Let them work for free, less work for me when I punch in.
Working Off The Clock/Awful management (vent)
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you missed it....
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
Was not directed at you.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
You must.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Not to mention I believe the contract says you are to be paid time and a half for anytime worked prior to your start time.
Dragon
Package Center Manager
What would you grieve?
If all others have been asked and no one wants it, the job is his.
Did I miss something?
Dragon
Package Center Manager
So if he was getting OT you would want the job?
What if he is getting five hours and you are getting 3..still want it?
Who said they asked?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
I posted this before the OP stated that no one else on the shift has an issue with it.
blkmamba
Well-Known Member
Who said the didn't?
Sounds to me like this is a part timer.
What I do have an problem with is a full timer coming in and working on the loading belts helping out. We had an issue with this back in the '90's. A driver would come in, load for an hour or so, then drive his route for the day. He was not a senior driver, no management personnel asked any of the senior drivers if they wanted the work and this driver was getting mega dollars as his day was stretched. He did not receive a pay cut for the loading hours he worked, he still received his driver pay. This is wrong. It takes away dollars from the Union as the company should be hiring new personnel to fill this "gap". Gawd, I hated that guy and it just gave others incentive to go up and work "off the clock" because the other drivers didn't really know what was going on.
When I did bring it to the attention of management their response was "do you want the job?" Hell no I don't want the job. I don't want to spend my whole life at this place. But I said that they should at least ask all the other senior employees if they do indeed want the job. They never did ask, they would only offer the job to the drivers that complained. I ended up talking to my BA, talked to all the other drivers about it and eventually the company caved and hired some more part timers.
My point about all this is stay informed about what is happening in your immediate surroundings. Management is always trying to get away with stuff.
What I do have an problem with is a full timer coming in and working on the loading belts helping out. We had an issue with this back in the '90's. A driver would come in, load for an hour or so, then drive his route for the day. He was not a senior driver, no management personnel asked any of the senior drivers if they wanted the work and this driver was getting mega dollars as his day was stretched. He did not receive a pay cut for the loading hours he worked, he still received his driver pay. This is wrong. It takes away dollars from the Union as the company should be hiring new personnel to fill this "gap". Gawd, I hated that guy and it just gave others incentive to go up and work "off the clock" because the other drivers didn't really know what was going on.
When I did bring it to the attention of management their response was "do you want the job?" Hell no I don't want the job. I don't want to spend my whole life at this place. But I said that they should at least ask all the other senior employees if they do indeed want the job. They never did ask, they would only offer the job to the drivers that complained. I ended up talking to my BA, talked to all the other drivers about it and eventually the company caved and hired some more part timers.
My point about all this is stay informed about what is happening in your immediate surroundings. Management is always trying to get away with stuff.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
The good ones anyway.
laffter
Well-Known Member
This is my understanding of what the national contract says:
If a supervisor sees an hourly working off the clock, they are to advise the hourly to stop working. They are also supposed to pay the hourly for the time he worked off the clock.
I think the mentality behind this is... if management advised everyone to not work off the clock, they would be forced the make the necessary adjustments in every aspect of the their operation so that things work out without people feeling like they need to work before their start times.
That being said, other than when they used to send all of us home when the drivers showed up, I've never seen a sup tell anyone to stop working. I have, however, had my sup shout at me (from a distance) that I had a huge bulk stop pouring down my slide about 5 minutes prior to start. I told him it wasn't my start time yet and that it'll be O.K.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
I can pretty much assure you that UPSs interpretation is different! LOL
Yes I am a P/T inside employee, no I don't work off the clock ever, some of my area co-workers do. The way I personally see it is the only thing I owe UPS is honest hard work for a paycheck...so the people who consistently work off the clock are silly bastard's, but I will never be one of those types. I am not going to file a grievance that could potentially get hourly's in trouble cause we all know UPS will try to pass the buck and say "they know they are not allowed to work off the clock lol but we do encourage it lol lol lol just kidding lol *nervous laughter followed by excessive throat clearing and avoidance of eye contact*" 
bags.
bags.
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BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
If your scared go to church. Otherwise file.Yes I am a P/T inside employee, no I don't work off the clock ever, some of my area co-workers do. The way I personally see it is the only thing I owe UPS is honest hard work for a paycheck...so the people who consistently work off the clock are silly bastard's, but I will never be one of those types. I am not going to file a grievance that could potentially get hourly's in trouble cause we all know UPS will try to pass the buck and say "they know they are not allowed to work off the clock lol but we do encourage it lol lol lol just kidding lol *nervous laughter followed by excessive throat clearing and avoidance of eye contact*"
upschuck
Well-Known Member
I thought we were to only worry about ourself. Man I can keep this straight. *scratching head*
BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
Am I posting something about what an employee did or what I "heard" an employee did. I think notI thought we were to only worry about ourself. Man I can keep this straight. *scratching head*
