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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 249101" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>With all due respect Philly and to the source of your info, IMO it's very hard to say yeah or nay until we've heard from the horse's mouth as to the specifics of this contract proposal. I'm not very trusting of the union either and your dislike of Hoffa makes me assume our reasons for that distrust may be different from one another. Again, I'm assuming here so no disrespect for your reasons no matter where they stand are intended. </p><p> </p><p>Knowing the mess the pension and even medical benefits amongst CS's are in currently, I'm shocked at the raise amounts being proposed. Going in I thought a 25 cent raise per year would be lucky if they also cleaned up this pension and benefit mess. </p><p> </p><p>Taking what you printed as true and making an assumption here that the rumors of a return to the pension payouts and levels before the 2004' cuts will happen, I'm more than willing to meet UPS halfway and split the raise out so that part happens on 8/1 and the other part happens on 2/1. </p><p> </p><p>Now I just hope those stupid retirement work rules are gone and IMO UPS can keep the damn raise because the light at the end of the tunnel just got <span style="font-size: 18px">REAL CLOSE!</span></p><p> </p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group2/clap.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":clap:" title="Clap :clap:" data-shortname=":clap:" /></p><p> </p><p>BTW: IMO the one most hurt by the extended progression in the longrun is UPS. Who wants to hang around PT for 10 plus years hoping for a FT spot and then wait another 3 years to finally make the pay grade. Now add a starting PT wage of $8.50 an hour and that revolving door will swing less coming in and lot more going out especially if the pension returns to a true 30 and out. </p><p> </p><p>I suspect a lot of folks will start bolting for the door next year and the need to fill those FT holes will be become quite interesting to watch. I will say this for the folks already on the payroll. They should be grandfathered in to language at the time they were hired and then give full disclosure to all incoming new hires but that is JMO.</p><p> </p><p>This pension move is costly and it would have taken less to do it 10 years ago but instead we decided to strike and delay the inevitable. I guess like the Fram commerical sez, "you can pay me now or pay me later!"</p><p> </p><p>I guess we just decided to pay a lot more later!</p><p> </p><p>Had it not been for the new ERISA rules coming into play on Jan 1, 08, UPS would sit back and laugh as we stewed in the mess of our own making and I wouldn't blame them one bit for it either!</p><p> </p><p>JMHO.</p><p> </p><p>I hope you'll repost this poll after Oct. 11th weekend as folks will have had time to attend contract meeting and get more details and all of us will be better informed..... well it's alledged that we'll be <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/laugh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":laugh:" title="Laugh :laugh:" data-shortname=":laugh:" /> and then voicing an opinion on this subject will be much easier to do IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 249101, member: 2189"] With all due respect Philly and to the source of your info, IMO it's very hard to say yeah or nay until we've heard from the horse's mouth as to the specifics of this contract proposal. I'm not very trusting of the union either and your dislike of Hoffa makes me assume our reasons for that distrust may be different from one another. Again, I'm assuming here so no disrespect for your reasons no matter where they stand are intended. Knowing the mess the pension and even medical benefits amongst CS's are in currently, I'm shocked at the raise amounts being proposed. Going in I thought a 25 cent raise per year would be lucky if they also cleaned up this pension and benefit mess. Taking what you printed as true and making an assumption here that the rumors of a return to the pension payouts and levels before the 2004' cuts will happen, I'm more than willing to meet UPS halfway and split the raise out so that part happens on 8/1 and the other part happens on 2/1. Now I just hope those stupid retirement work rules are gone and IMO UPS can keep the damn raise because the light at the end of the tunnel just got [SIZE=5]REAL CLOSE![/SIZE] :clap: BTW: IMO the one most hurt by the extended progression in the longrun is UPS. Who wants to hang around PT for 10 plus years hoping for a FT spot and then wait another 3 years to finally make the pay grade. Now add a starting PT wage of $8.50 an hour and that revolving door will swing less coming in and lot more going out especially if the pension returns to a true 30 and out. I suspect a lot of folks will start bolting for the door next year and the need to fill those FT holes will be become quite interesting to watch. I will say this for the folks already on the payroll. They should be grandfathered in to language at the time they were hired and then give full disclosure to all incoming new hires but that is JMO. This pension move is costly and it would have taken less to do it 10 years ago but instead we decided to strike and delay the inevitable. I guess like the Fram commerical sez, "you can pay me now or pay me later!" I guess we just decided to pay a lot more later! Had it not been for the new ERISA rules coming into play on Jan 1, 08, UPS would sit back and laugh as we stewed in the mess of our own making and I wouldn't blame them one bit for it either! JMHO. I hope you'll repost this poll after Oct. 11th weekend as folks will have had time to attend contract meeting and get more details and all of us will be better informed..... well it's alledged that we'll be :laugh: and then voicing an opinion on this subject will be much easier to do IMO. [/QUOTE]
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