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<blockquote data-quote="Fred&#039;s Myth" data-source="post: 4667306" data-attributes="member: 55587"><p><em><strong>The Faiths of the Founding Fathers</strong></em> fell into three religious categories:</p><p></p><p>1. The smallest group, founders who had left their <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian" target="_blank">Judeo-Christian</a> heritages and become advocates of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment" target="_blank">Enlightenment</a> religion of nature and reason called "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism" target="_blank">Deism</a>". These figures included <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine" target="_blank">Thomas Paine</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Allen" target="_blank">Ethan Allen</a>.</p><p></p><p>2. The founders who remained practicing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians" target="_blank">Christians</a>. They retained a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural" target="_blank">supernaturalist</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view" target="_blank">world view</a>, a belief in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostatic_union" target="_blank">divinity of Jesus Christ</a>, and an adherence to the teachings of their <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination" target="_blank">denomination</a>. These founders included <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry" target="_blank">Patrick Henry</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay" target="_blank">John Jay</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Adams" target="_blank">Samuel Adams</a>. Holmes also finds that most of the wives and daughters of the founders fell into this category.</p><p></p><p>3. The largest group consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. They believed in little or none of the miracles and supernaturalism inherent in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian" target="_blank">Judeo-Christian</a> tradition. Holmes finds a spectrum of such <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_deism" target="_blank">Deistic Christians</a> among the founders, ranging from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams" target="_blank">John Adams</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington" target="_blank">George Washington</a> on the conservative right to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin" target="_blank">Benjamin Franklin</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Monroe" target="_blank">James Monroe</a> on the skeptical left.</p><p> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faiths_of_the_Founding_Fathers" target="_blank">The Faiths of the Founding Fathers - Wikipedia</a></p><p></p><p>Our country was formed on the belief of freedom <strong>OF</strong> religion, not freedom <strong>FROM</strong> religion. The cornerstone of their founding principles was not to eliminate religion in government, but to prohibit the establishment of a governing religion.</p><p></p><p>Enlightened Christians use the Bible as a source of wisdom to guide their lives, not to direct every decision they make.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully your enlightenment is imminent. Perhaps tolerance and temperateness would then follow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fred's Myth, post: 4667306, member: 55587"] [I][B]The Faiths of the Founding Fathers[/B][/I] fell into three religious categories: 1. The smallest group, founders who had left their [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian']Judeo-Christian[/URL] heritages and become advocates of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment']Enlightenment[/URL] religion of nature and reason called "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism']Deism[/URL]". These figures included [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine']Thomas Paine[/URL] and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Allen']Ethan Allen[/URL]. 2. The founders who remained practicing [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians']Christians[/URL]. They retained a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural']supernaturalist[/URL] [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view']world view[/URL], a belief in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostatic_union']divinity of Jesus Christ[/URL], and an adherence to the teachings of their [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination']denomination[/URL]. These founders included [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Henry']Patrick Henry[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay']John Jay[/URL], and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Adams']Samuel Adams[/URL]. Holmes also finds that most of the wives and daughters of the founders fell into this category. 3. The largest group consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. They believed in little or none of the miracles and supernaturalism inherent in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian']Judeo-Christian[/URL] tradition. Holmes finds a spectrum of such [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_deism']Deistic Christians[/URL] among the founders, ranging from [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams']John Adams[/URL] and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington']George Washington[/URL] on the conservative right to [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin']Benjamin Franklin[/URL] and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Monroe']James Monroe[/URL] on the skeptical left. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Faiths_of_the_Founding_Fathers"]The Faiths of the Founding Fathers - Wikipedia[/URL] Our country was formed on the belief of freedom [B]OF[/B] religion, not freedom [B]FROM[/B] religion. The cornerstone of their founding principles was not to eliminate religion in government, but to prohibit the establishment of a governing religion. Enlightened Christians use the Bible as a source of wisdom to guide their lives, not to direct every decision they make. Hopefully your enlightenment is imminent. Perhaps tolerance and temperateness would then follow. [/QUOTE]
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