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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4762133" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>None of the scriptures you cite really, definitively prove any of the points you apparently aren't arguing. Mark 16:16 does not mention water. James 2:24 doesn't mention baptism at all, as you seem to suggest.</p><p></p><p>1 Peter 3:21 and this water <strong>symbolizes baptism</strong> that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. <strong>It saves you </strong>by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,</p><p></p><p>Wow, ok, the verse you referenced says directly water is a symbol of baptism. Do you read the verses you reference first?</p><p></p><p>John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.</p><p></p><p>Ok, very simply put. Direct from the mouth of the teacher. I can agree that he is talking about being baptized by water. That doesn't mean it's not symbolic.</p><p></p><p>Accepting the gift of salvation requires repentance, for sure, and we are not saved by that repentance as we are not saved by baptism, I think we agree on that. </p><p></p><p>You say you have to be water baptized to wash away your sin, though Jesus didn't say that. </p><p></p><p>1 John 1:7 But if we live in the light, as God does, we share in life with each other. <strong>And the blood of his Son Jesus washes all our sins away.</strong></p><p></p><p>Matthew 3:11 "I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am--so much greater that I'm not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."</p><p></p><p>Mark 10:38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”</p><p></p><p>So, does the water of baptism wash your sins away? Or is it the blood of Christ? If it's the blood, why do we need the water? If it's the water, why would we need the blood? If faith and water baptism was all we needed, why the sacrifice? What faith does it really take to be dunked under water? It can only really be seen as a symbolic gesture, as Peter said. We are baptized by the blood of Christ, my friend, and perhaps, the fire of the Holy Spirit. Baptism is certainly necessary for salvation, being dunked is a symbol.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4762133, member: 63706"] None of the scriptures you cite really, definitively prove any of the points you apparently aren't arguing. Mark 16:16 does not mention water. James 2:24 doesn't mention baptism at all, as you seem to suggest. 1 Peter 3:21 and this water [B]symbolizes baptism[/B] that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. [B]It saves you [/B]by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Wow, ok, the verse you referenced says directly water is a symbol of baptism. Do you read the verses you reference first? John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Ok, very simply put. Direct from the mouth of the teacher. I can agree that he is talking about being baptized by water. That doesn't mean it's not symbolic. Accepting the gift of salvation requires repentance, for sure, and we are not saved by that repentance as we are not saved by baptism, I think we agree on that. You say you have to be water baptized to wash away your sin, though Jesus didn't say that. 1 John 1:7 But if we live in the light, as God does, we share in life with each other. [B]And the blood of his Son Jesus washes all our sins away.[/B] Matthew 3:11 "I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am--so much greater that I'm not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire." Mark 10:38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?” So, does the water of baptism wash your sins away? Or is it the blood of Christ? If it's the blood, why do we need the water? If it's the water, why would we need the blood? If faith and water baptism was all we needed, why the sacrifice? What faith does it really take to be dunked under water? It can only really be seen as a symbolic gesture, as Peter said. We are baptized by the blood of Christ, my friend, and perhaps, the fire of the Holy Spirit. Baptism is certainly necessary for salvation, being dunked is a symbol. [/QUOTE]
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