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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1145593" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>407. We heard guys like you crying about the same things in 1997.. We ignored them then, and we will ignore guys like you now. Yes, there is plenty of pain to go around, but it doesnt have to be this way. We in the west are willing to consider the companys last non economic offer of 20/40/60 to maintain our current benefits. Guys like you can continue paying the 20% and high deductibles all you want. You can have the lesser coverage, that is YOUR right. Believe me, we wont take that away from you.</p><p></p><p>This isnt about shutting down the company. This is about us NOT accepting concessions on things that we shouldnt have too. Just because you accepted your locals negotiated deal on healthcare years ago, that doesnt mean the rest of the country is that stupid too.</p><p></p><p>Hey bro, you accept what you want, but consider that you can KEEP your coverage intact, and still vote NO to protect the rest of us. </p><p></p><p>Comparitively speaking, if the members in the are going to have to pay anything out of our pockets, then it will be for SUPERIOR COVERAGE and to maintain our current benefit package, doctors and on going treatments.</p><p></p><p>Our members would rather pay the 60 bucks a week for a family just to avoid the disruption in care and service, rather than pay thousands of dollars to the teamsters for chitty coverage.</p><p></p><p>We live in a different part of the country than you do. We expect better apparently and havent quite got to the doom and gloom of your area. UPS is a healthy company. It could be alot better and more efficient if those at the top really gave a crap about the operation and canned all the "experts" who are costing this company millions of dollars in losses each year. </p><p></p><p>Companies like amazon and zappos wont leave us for good, they may temporarily, but that depends on the negotiations. Sure, there will be cutbacks like in 1997, but it will recover. The good and gloom that you speak of is nothing more than the negative sell somebody got you to believe. We are still the best game in town for package delivery and "WE" in the ground operation cant be blamed for the bad business decisions of the company. Freight wasnt our idea, it was the companys. If it is failing, then why should "WE" have to pay for it? </p><p></p><p>Why should "I" as an employee subsidize the companys business losses for bad decisions? The company throws money around like its going out of style. The deal with Ferrari cost the company 25 million dollars but I bet you dont think that will hurt the bottom line, right? What about the disastrous investment in NASCAR? How many millions of dollars were wasted on the speedways? What about GOLF? What about bike racing?</p><p></p><p>This company is so fat, even jenny craig couldnt slim it down, but YOU, think we should bear the burden of those bad financial decisons by accepting LESS despite us doing all the work?</p><p></p><p>There is something seriously wrong with your logic 407.</p><p></p><p>We in the west want the best in our contract, and we wont settle for terms that YOU are willing to "conceed" too.</p><p></p><p>The teamsters had NO BUSINESS putting our healthcare on the table without consulting us FIRST. We can see past the rhetoric and doom and gloom to see that the teamsters just want to get more money dumped into the central states health care fund, and that AINT GONNA HAPPEN.</p><p></p><p>This sunday, we will let our local leaders hear our voices. We will WARN them of the consequences of going against our wishes. </p><p></p><p>GOD forbid that hall shows up. Unfortunately, cameras and video are banned from our meeting, otherwise, I would film the episode and post on here for all to see.</p><p></p><p>407, you were sold a flaming bag of chitt, and all you have to do is stomp on it to put it out. You may get some chitt on your shoes, but the fire will be out. You can always wipe it off afterwards.</p><p></p><p>Right now, the flaming bag is at our doorstep. We are about to stomp on it, then wipe off the officers of our local from the bottom of our shoes.</p><p></p><p>Stay tuned.</p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1145593, member: 17969"] 407. We heard guys like you crying about the same things in 1997.. We ignored them then, and we will ignore guys like you now. Yes, there is plenty of pain to go around, but it doesnt have to be this way. We in the west are willing to consider the companys last non economic offer of 20/40/60 to maintain our current benefits. Guys like you can continue paying the 20% and high deductibles all you want. You can have the lesser coverage, that is YOUR right. Believe me, we wont take that away from you. This isnt about shutting down the company. This is about us NOT accepting concessions on things that we shouldnt have too. Just because you accepted your locals negotiated deal on healthcare years ago, that doesnt mean the rest of the country is that stupid too. Hey bro, you accept what you want, but consider that you can KEEP your coverage intact, and still vote NO to protect the rest of us. Comparitively speaking, if the members in the are going to have to pay anything out of our pockets, then it will be for SUPERIOR COVERAGE and to maintain our current benefit package, doctors and on going treatments. Our members would rather pay the 60 bucks a week for a family just to avoid the disruption in care and service, rather than pay thousands of dollars to the teamsters for chitty coverage. We live in a different part of the country than you do. We expect better apparently and havent quite got to the doom and gloom of your area. UPS is a healthy company. It could be alot better and more efficient if those at the top really gave a crap about the operation and canned all the "experts" who are costing this company millions of dollars in losses each year. Companies like amazon and zappos wont leave us for good, they may temporarily, but that depends on the negotiations. Sure, there will be cutbacks like in 1997, but it will recover. The good and gloom that you speak of is nothing more than the negative sell somebody got you to believe. We are still the best game in town for package delivery and "WE" in the ground operation cant be blamed for the bad business decisions of the company. Freight wasnt our idea, it was the companys. If it is failing, then why should "WE" have to pay for it? Why should "I" as an employee subsidize the companys business losses for bad decisions? The company throws money around like its going out of style. The deal with Ferrari cost the company 25 million dollars but I bet you dont think that will hurt the bottom line, right? What about the disastrous investment in NASCAR? How many millions of dollars were wasted on the speedways? What about GOLF? What about bike racing? This company is so fat, even jenny craig couldnt slim it down, but YOU, think we should bear the burden of those bad financial decisons by accepting LESS despite us doing all the work? There is something seriously wrong with your logic 407. We in the west want the best in our contract, and we wont settle for terms that YOU are willing to "conceed" too. The teamsters had NO BUSINESS putting our healthcare on the table without consulting us FIRST. We can see past the rhetoric and doom and gloom to see that the teamsters just want to get more money dumped into the central states health care fund, and that AINT GONNA HAPPEN. This sunday, we will let our local leaders hear our voices. We will WARN them of the consequences of going against our wishes. GOD forbid that hall shows up. Unfortunately, cameras and video are banned from our meeting, otherwise, I would film the episode and post on here for all to see. 407, you were sold a flaming bag of chitt, and all you have to do is stomp on it to put it out. You may get some chitt on your shoes, but the fire will be out. You can always wipe it off afterwards. Right now, the flaming bag is at our doorstep. We are about to stomp on it, then wipe off the officers of our local from the bottom of our shoes. Stay tuned. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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