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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1148648" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Brother Brown,</p><p></p><p>Its all about perspective bro. We can agree that we are looking at a downhill slope with respect to insurance. The difference between you and I is the "speed" that we travel down that slope. You "suggest" that we just get to the bottom and "I" suggest we stay at the top of the hill and figure out if we need to go down the slope at all.</p><p></p><p>When we went on strike in 1997, we went on strike to protect these benefits. TO just hand them over to the company without a fight de-legitimizes our efforts on the strike line.</p><p></p><p>Brother Carey wouldnt stand for this in 1997. There is something FISHY going on with this contract. While let me be absolutely clear, I HAVE NO PROOF, but I suspect there was a deal struck in 2008 with the company to take away our company health care. </p><p></p><p>Back in 1997, Ron Carey in association with our local at the time ( Raul Lopez) called a meeting that was held at East Los Angeles college. Over 2000 396 UPS teamsters were at that meeting to hear brother Carey speak. He pulled no punches. He told us how he would never sell us out on health care. He told us how we needed to understand that there would be "pain" on both sides if we ended up on strike, and we did.</p><p></p><p>People got layed off, companys left, volume dropped, but we kept our benefits and wages remained high. </p><p></p><p>Compare that with todays negotiations. Here we have MAJOR concessions going to the company for the second contract in a row. With us in the WEST, we are being sacrificed for the rest of the country and NOT the other way around as you see it. But the real question is?.....</p><p></p><p>WHERE IS HOFFA? WHERE IS hall?</p><p></p><p>Where is the advanced scheduled meeting at a location that could house all our members and promoted weeks in advance so people could attend? Why isnt HOFFA here explaining this to us?</p><p></p><p>Instead, Ron H Skips out of having to answer for any of this, and he brings in a surrogate to answer questions "HE" should know the answers to. Then, that surrogate comes and admits the insurance sucks and that we will end up paying out of pocket thousands of dollars depending on circumstances.</p><p></p><p>He also doesnt RECOMMEND a YES VOTE, and rather, simply tells us that he was there only to give us information and not whether we should vote yes or no.</p><p></p><p>WTF?</p><p></p><p>Ron Carey was clear in 1997. HE TOLD US that WE were not going to accept what the company was offering.</p><p></p><p>Will there be pain if the contract process is stopped? YES, you bet your rear end. There will be pain on both sides. But when did we stop fighting?</p><p></p><p>AS I said in the begining, you want to get down that hill as quickly as possible as your own risk. If you get wiped out at the bottom, then you can blame yourself and not the process.</p><p></p><p>Brother Marshall made no guarantees to find us better insurance, and if you are pinning your hopes on words like "IF" ... "maybe".. "could be".... "possibly"... then you are missing brother Marshalls point. </p><p></p><p>He made it clear, WE ARE VOTING ON THE C6 PLAN.</p><p></p><p>THe only thing you have to wait for to find out, is the passage of time. The time for quiet negotiations is OVER.</p><p></p><p>Its time for us to get strong and FIGHT for what is right. Its time for us to include all our brothers and sisters working for UPS into the same health coverage. Its time for "THEM" to stand with us to improve their plans and not to stand at the curb watching other members leave them behind.</p><p></p><p>Nobody wants a strike, but if the only thing UPS understands is PAIN COMPLIANCE, then sobeit.</p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1148648, member: 17969"] Brother Brown, Its all about perspective bro. We can agree that we are looking at a downhill slope with respect to insurance. The difference between you and I is the "speed" that we travel down that slope. You "suggest" that we just get to the bottom and "I" suggest we stay at the top of the hill and figure out if we need to go down the slope at all. When we went on strike in 1997, we went on strike to protect these benefits. TO just hand them over to the company without a fight de-legitimizes our efforts on the strike line. Brother Carey wouldnt stand for this in 1997. There is something FISHY going on with this contract. While let me be absolutely clear, I HAVE NO PROOF, but I suspect there was a deal struck in 2008 with the company to take away our company health care. Back in 1997, Ron Carey in association with our local at the time ( Raul Lopez) called a meeting that was held at East Los Angeles college. Over 2000 396 UPS teamsters were at that meeting to hear brother Carey speak. He pulled no punches. He told us how he would never sell us out on health care. He told us how we needed to understand that there would be "pain" on both sides if we ended up on strike, and we did. People got layed off, companys left, volume dropped, but we kept our benefits and wages remained high. Compare that with todays negotiations. Here we have MAJOR concessions going to the company for the second contract in a row. With us in the WEST, we are being sacrificed for the rest of the country and NOT the other way around as you see it. But the real question is?..... WHERE IS HOFFA? WHERE IS hall? Where is the advanced scheduled meeting at a location that could house all our members and promoted weeks in advance so people could attend? Why isnt HOFFA here explaining this to us? Instead, Ron H Skips out of having to answer for any of this, and he brings in a surrogate to answer questions "HE" should know the answers to. Then, that surrogate comes and admits the insurance sucks and that we will end up paying out of pocket thousands of dollars depending on circumstances. He also doesnt RECOMMEND a YES VOTE, and rather, simply tells us that he was there only to give us information and not whether we should vote yes or no. WTF? Ron Carey was clear in 1997. HE TOLD US that WE were not going to accept what the company was offering. Will there be pain if the contract process is stopped? YES, you bet your rear end. There will be pain on both sides. But when did we stop fighting? AS I said in the begining, you want to get down that hill as quickly as possible as your own risk. If you get wiped out at the bottom, then you can blame yourself and not the process. Brother Marshall made no guarantees to find us better insurance, and if you are pinning your hopes on words like "IF" ... "maybe".. "could be".... "possibly"... then you are missing brother Marshalls point. He made it clear, WE ARE VOTING ON THE C6 PLAN. THe only thing you have to wait for to find out, is the passage of time. The time for quiet negotiations is OVER. Its time for us to get strong and FIGHT for what is right. Its time for us to include all our brothers and sisters working for UPS into the same health coverage. Its time for "THEM" to stand with us to improve their plans and not to stand at the curb watching other members leave them behind. Nobody wants a strike, but if the only thing UPS understands is PAIN COMPLIANCE, then sobeit. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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