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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 870430" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Re: The 10th Anniversary of 9-11</strong></p><p></p><p>Major Tenants of WTC 7</p><p></p><p>WTC 7 had WTC 6 between itself and WTC 1 & 2 and even though WTC 6 was only 8 stories tall, it was also gutted by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Six_WTC_SW_Corner.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">fire</span></a> but did not collapse. Did the lack of upper floors and the added weight save WTC 6 from collapse? I admit, WTC 7 for me has never been given a satisfactory explanation, the building coming down like a controlled demolition doesn't help and then added to the mix all video of people on the ground speaking of hearing explosions or video itself (audio wise) of many of the explosions prior to collapse or various workers and officials telling bystanders and videographers to move back as they are getting ready to "pull the building" which is a demolition term. Dropping it for safety reasons would make sense but then you have the problem of explaining how you rig a building with explosives in just a few hours and during a ragging fire. But yet even still, why such extremes to blow a building? Makes no sense.</p><p></p><p>There may indeed be logical and very rational explanations for all of this but so far the previous investigations have only created more questions and doubt than real answers. Even Tom Kean along with Lee Hamilton on the 9/11 Commission have spoken out about how much their hands were tied at really getting to the truth.</p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]Tzrv-e37Es8[/media]</p><p></p><p>I don't believe Bush and Cheney were in the WH and via remote video controllers flew those planes into the WTC nor do I believe they ordered someone else to do it. Don't believe those planes were empty and filled with explosives either. However, just from the FBI's own admissions from some of their midwest offices and field agents, those guys had uncovered something months prior and the question thus begs, did certain person(s) allow the events to go forward and carry through in order for a certain outcome or opportunity to be achieved? Going back to WTC 1 & 2 itself, History Commons has an excellent timeline using gov't and media source material to develop one if the best timelines and I started having difficulty with many of the hijackers themselves as more and more information came to life, they just didn't match up to the narrative given to us. Again, far, far more questions than there are any real answers.</p><p></p><p>From a purely historical perspective of political desire and opportunity by political operatives such as the USS Maine in Havana Harbor or the Gulf of Tonkin incident, not to mention the questions and continuing evidence that comes to light on Pearl Harbor, these events regardless if by conspiracy or random act, fit well into a narrative that justified a previous desired gov't direction likely very impossible without such incident. Without the USS Maine, how does the US challenge Spain in the western hemisphere with public approval much less gain a footprint in the eastern hemisphere? No Pearl Harbor? How does the US enter WW2? Without Gulf of Tonkin, how is there a Vietnam and don't forget the Pentagon Papers and the gov't lies we learned there? And now comes 9/11? Without it, how does the US military supremacy re-construct and re-shape the middle east (even now as we speak) very much on the same scale it did Central and South America during the 1950's through the 1970's? How does the US military re-shape the Middle East so that access to the Caspian Basin is secure and the Russians are denied full control to then impact global oil and even currency markets? How can the US re-shape the Middle East without a free flow strategic military footprint to operate from?</p><p></p><p>So very many questions (many people are afraid to ask and I can understand that) and yet so few answers because the will and transparency to such answers is very hard and in some case impossible to achieve. Sometimes you just have to be willing to beat the grass to startle the snakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 870430, member: 2189"] [B]Re: The 10th Anniversary of 9-11[/B] Major Tenants of WTC 7 WTC 7 had WTC 6 between itself and WTC 1 & 2 and even though WTC 6 was only 8 stories tall, it was also gutted by [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Six_WTC_SW_Corner.jpg'][COLOR=#ff0000]fire[/COLOR][/URL] but did not collapse. Did the lack of upper floors and the added weight save WTC 6 from collapse? I admit, WTC 7 for me has never been given a satisfactory explanation, the building coming down like a controlled demolition doesn't help and then added to the mix all video of people on the ground speaking of hearing explosions or video itself (audio wise) of many of the explosions prior to collapse or various workers and officials telling bystanders and videographers to move back as they are getting ready to "pull the building" which is a demolition term. Dropping it for safety reasons would make sense but then you have the problem of explaining how you rig a building with explosives in just a few hours and during a ragging fire. But yet even still, why such extremes to blow a building? Makes no sense. There may indeed be logical and very rational explanations for all of this but so far the previous investigations have only created more questions and doubt than real answers. Even Tom Kean along with Lee Hamilton on the 9/11 Commission have spoken out about how much their hands were tied at really getting to the truth. [media=youtube]Tzrv-e37Es8[/media] I don't believe Bush and Cheney were in the WH and via remote video controllers flew those planes into the WTC nor do I believe they ordered someone else to do it. Don't believe those planes were empty and filled with explosives either. However, just from the FBI's own admissions from some of their midwest offices and field agents, those guys had uncovered something months prior and the question thus begs, did certain person(s) allow the events to go forward and carry through in order for a certain outcome or opportunity to be achieved? Going back to WTC 1 & 2 itself, History Commons has an excellent timeline using gov't and media source material to develop one if the best timelines and I started having difficulty with many of the hijackers themselves as more and more information came to life, they just didn't match up to the narrative given to us. Again, far, far more questions than there are any real answers. From a purely historical perspective of political desire and opportunity by political operatives such as the USS Maine in Havana Harbor or the Gulf of Tonkin incident, not to mention the questions and continuing evidence that comes to light on Pearl Harbor, these events regardless if by conspiracy or random act, fit well into a narrative that justified a previous desired gov't direction likely very impossible without such incident. Without the USS Maine, how does the US challenge Spain in the western hemisphere with public approval much less gain a footprint in the eastern hemisphere? No Pearl Harbor? How does the US enter WW2? Without Gulf of Tonkin, how is there a Vietnam and don't forget the Pentagon Papers and the gov't lies we learned there? And now comes 9/11? Without it, how does the US military supremacy re-construct and re-shape the middle east (even now as we speak) very much on the same scale it did Central and South America during the 1950's through the 1970's? How does the US military re-shape the Middle East so that access to the Caspian Basin is secure and the Russians are denied full control to then impact global oil and even currency markets? How can the US re-shape the Middle East without a free flow strategic military footprint to operate from? So very many questions (many people are afraid to ask and I can understand that) and yet so few answers because the will and transparency to such answers is very hard and in some case impossible to achieve. Sometimes you just have to be willing to beat the grass to startle the snakes. [/QUOTE]
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