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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 509343" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Either you never read the articles or you've read something into them that IMO was never said or suggested. As much as some would love to make Obama's 2002' so-called "anti-war speech" much more than it was and that goes for both sides, Obama in that speech nor in any other to my knowledge ever opposed Afghanistan nor the mission there. Iraq, yes but Afghanistan, never to my knowledge.</p><p></p><p>The articles challenge Obama on the policy and thinking behind his current decision process for Afghanistan and the surrounding region. The thrust as I read them was he's following Bush's footsteps instead of using "Change" as we were promised. Democrats waxed oh so much during the election cycle about the failures of Bush across the Middle East region but now he seems posed to follow that exact framework as he now has control.</p><p></p><p>Are these the rantings of a micro-minority of paleo-con/libertarian types who are a bunch of spoiled sports? Could be but then you'd have to include the mainstreet media in that minority as they are coming to the same conclusions!</p><p></p><p>In both op-ed pieces there are numerous links to supportive articles and I'd recommend reading many of them as well. Also it seems the head of NATO is also <a href="http://news.antiwar.com/2009/03/30/nato-chief-opposes-americanization-of-afghan-war/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">not happy</span> </a>with Obama's plan as Obama seems to be bringing his own plans of Cowboy diplomacy to Washington. If Bush was a "Cowboy" then Obama seems hell bent of being "Black Bart!"</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>I also find it interesting that in the 8 years of Bush, you along with others cried foul at every Bush turn because there seemed no real evidence to support the conclusions used to justify foreign policy and military moves made by Chene...I mean Bush and Company.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /> Now it appears we have the shoe on the other foot and I refer to this from Justin Raimondo in his peice linked earlier:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now we that are in the micro minority movement say the same thing you guys did for 8 years and now out of the blue we are wrong? We are the bad guys? I guess if we kept this up the next thing we'll hear is that we are anti-American and un-patriotic too! With the Patriot Act and all the accessive powers and surveil authority of Bush left in tact, maybe they are cleaning out Gitmo to send us of the micro minority there. Well, it will give you an excuse to wave the flag and thus the arm skyward to salute the brillance of your Fuhrer.</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>Besides, it seems the Russians are <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/5072484/Russia-backs-return-to-Gold-Standard-to-solve-financial-crisis.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">looking closer</span> </a>at classical economics so maybe the future is in Cuba. Also explains a lot of why Washington is picking a fight with Russia. Gold backed currency would sure slow down if not stop the fiat money printing press and Washington can't have that! Maybe Russia also understands a currency limited by gold can't be manipulated for political purposes with schemes like the Community Reinvestment Act and HomeOwnership Society but then who wants that old neanderthal economics anyway when you can have all the chaos we have now allowing Washington to ever expand it's power. Besides, they know it's by fear and fear alone that they get your vote so crisis and fear is what you'll get!</p><p></p><p>BE HAPPY!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 509343, member: 2189"] Either you never read the articles or you've read something into them that IMO was never said or suggested. As much as some would love to make Obama's 2002' so-called "anti-war speech" much more than it was and that goes for both sides, Obama in that speech nor in any other to my knowledge ever opposed Afghanistan nor the mission there. Iraq, yes but Afghanistan, never to my knowledge. The articles challenge Obama on the policy and thinking behind his current decision process for Afghanistan and the surrounding region. The thrust as I read them was he's following Bush's footsteps instead of using "Change" as we were promised. Democrats waxed oh so much during the election cycle about the failures of Bush across the Middle East region but now he seems posed to follow that exact framework as he now has control. Are these the rantings of a micro-minority of paleo-con/libertarian types who are a bunch of spoiled sports? Could be but then you'd have to include the mainstreet media in that minority as they are coming to the same conclusions! In both op-ed pieces there are numerous links to supportive articles and I'd recommend reading many of them as well. Also it seems the head of NATO is also [URL='http://news.antiwar.com/2009/03/30/nato-chief-opposes-americanization-of-afghan-war/'][COLOR=red]not happy[/COLOR] [/URL]with Obama's plan as Obama seems to be bringing his own plans of Cowboy diplomacy to Washington. If Bush was a "Cowboy" then Obama seems hell bent of being "Black Bart!" :happy-very: I also find it interesting that in the 8 years of Bush, you along with others cried foul at every Bush turn because there seemed no real evidence to support the conclusions used to justify foreign policy and military moves made by Chene...I mean Bush and Company.:wink2: Now it appears we have the shoe on the other foot and I refer to this from Justin Raimondo in his peice linked earlier: Now we that are in the micro minority movement say the same thing you guys did for 8 years and now out of the blue we are wrong? We are the bad guys? I guess if we kept this up the next thing we'll hear is that we are anti-American and un-patriotic too! With the Patriot Act and all the accessive powers and surveil authority of Bush left in tact, maybe they are cleaning out Gitmo to send us of the micro minority there. Well, it will give you an excuse to wave the flag and thus the arm skyward to salute the brillance of your Fuhrer. :happy-very: Besides, it seems the Russians are [URL='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/5072484/Russia-backs-return-to-Gold-Standard-to-solve-financial-crisis.html'][COLOR=red]looking closer[/COLOR] [/URL]at classical economics so maybe the future is in Cuba. Also explains a lot of why Washington is picking a fight with Russia. Gold backed currency would sure slow down if not stop the fiat money printing press and Washington can't have that! Maybe Russia also understands a currency limited by gold can't be manipulated for political purposes with schemes like the Community Reinvestment Act and HomeOwnership Society but then who wants that old neanderthal economics anyway when you can have all the chaos we have now allowing Washington to ever expand it's power. Besides, they know it's by fear and fear alone that they get your vote so crisis and fear is what you'll get! BE HAPPY! [/QUOTE]
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