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Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
I think Jonah Goldberg has it right. AOC May embrace a sort of socialism, but that doesn’t make her a socialist nor does it make what she advocates in the US would be socialism.

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AOC wants European style Democratic Socialism.
There are no true Capitalist countries, just as there are no pure Socialist countries.
Every country is a hybrid of Capitalist, Socialist and sometimes Communist systems of government.

Don’t try and dodge the truth, AOC and Bernie are Socialist by any honest assessment.
 

bbsam

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AOC wants European style Democratic Socialism.
There are no true Capitalist countries, just as there are no pure Socialist countries.
Every country is a hybrid of Capitalist, Socialist and sometimes Communist systems of government.

Don’t try and dodge the truth, AOC and Bernie are Socialist by any honest assessment.
Look. Republicans have demonized Obamacare as socialist. Guess what’s popular ever since people realized that republicans were serious about repealing it. And what is the “capitalist” replacement for Obamacare? Well, the republicans never really got around to that. So is it any wonder that socialism “looks good” to so many Americans?
 

vantexan

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Look. Republicans have demonized Obamacare as socialist. Guess what’s popular ever since people realized that republicans were serious about repealing it. And what is the “capitalist” replacement for Obamacare? Well, the republicans never really got around to that. So is it any wonder that socialism “looks good” to so many Americans?
Of course socialism looks good. Let's see where we stand in ten years with it and the New Green Deal if that's actually implemented. The problem with socialism is sustainability, but it's a real siren's song to those who work hard with little to show for it.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Look. Republicans have demonized Obamacare as socialist. Guess what’s popular ever since people realized that republicans were serious about repealing it. And what is the “capitalist” replacement for Obamacare? Well, the republicans never really got around to that. So is it any wonder that socialism “looks good” to so many Americans?
agreed!
People like free things just like Corporations do.
 
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vantexan

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Maybe it’s time to address capitalism’s flaws. Maybe her “indoctrination” will lead to some serious reform.
Forget the extremes like Venezuela. Look at Greece. They came up with fantastic ideas to give all of their citizens a better life. Only soon they found they couldn't pay for it all and started borrowing. And soon found they couldn't make those payments. The Green New Deal isn't sustainable and it's not even a good idea. China's economy is still smaller than our's and yet they have twice the pollution. Most of the world's most polluted cities are in China and India. No matter what we do we can't stop the train wreck that's coming if indeed it's coming. Or possibly it could be that global warming is about implementing socialism in the U.S.. Either way, destroying our economy with what she wants in the NGD when it won't save the planet at all is ridiculous.
 

bbsam

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Forget the extremes like Venezuela. Look at Greece. They came up with fantastic ideas to give all of their citizens a better life. Only soon they found they couldn't pay for it all and started borrowing. And soon found they couldn't make those payments. The Green New Deal isn't sustainable and it's not even a good idea. China's economy is still smaller than our's and yet they have twice the pollution. Most of the world's most polluted cities are in China and India. No matter what we do we can't stop the train wreck that's coming if indeed it's coming. Or possibly it could be that global warming is about implementing socialism in the U.S.. Either way, destroying our economy with what she wants in the NGD when it won't save the planet at all is ridiculous.
Prosper together or burn it the friend up. It’s that simple really.
 

vantexan

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Nonsense. The US capitalism of corporate welfare and rigged opportunity is a disaster. As such, if AOC is wrong, we should all go down with the ship.
Which you fully participate in. The reason why, amongst others, that socialism won't work is guys like you talk a good game, but you won't equally share with your own employees the fruits of your labor. If the U.S. is to lead by example to the rest of the world in hopes of getting them to clean up their act then you should be a shining example to the rest of us of how you think capitalism is horrible and that you are going to share all that you make equally with your employees. So what if you're the boss with more responsibility? That's just your job. You and they are equals and deserve an equal share. Come on now, you know how badly you want to do this!
 

bbsam

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Which you fully participate in. The reason why, amongst others, that socialism won't work is guys like you talk a good game, but you won't equally share with your own employees the fruits of your labor. If the U.S. is to lead by example to the rest of the world in hopes of getting them to clean up their act then you should be a shining example to the rest of us of how you think capitalism is horrible and that you are going to share all that you make equally with your employees. So what if you're the boss with more responsibility? That's just your job. You and they are equals and deserve an equal share. Come on now, you know how badly you want to do this!
I’m willing to see it burn. Why?

Because I don’t really have the opportunity that’s advertised. I can’t run this business, hire my drivers, make my schedule and charge a rate to make it all worth while. It’s a rigged system. If it all has to go to make the system better, so be it.
 

vantexan

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I’m willing to see it burn. Why?

Because I don’t really have the opportunity that’s advertised. I can’t run this business, hire my drivers, make my schedule and charge a rate to make it all worth while. It’s a rigged system. If it all has to go to make the system better, so be it.
If you make considerably more than your drivers you can be much, much, more generous to them. You will just have settle for less because business is all about everyone getting an equal share. At least in socialism it is. Capitalism is exploitive, can't have that.
 

newfie

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