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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 100227" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I agree with the idea of a UPS only union but whether it comes to past or not is an extreme longshot IMO. APWA still has a long way to go IMO before that can even start to become a reality but I'm hopeful they get an honest shot at it and I encourage anyone to hear them out whether you agree with the idea or not.</p><p> </p><p>As for the comment about the employees caring more, in the case of the older employee I think in the majority of the cases that is true. I also find that generally speaking the older hourly and the older ground level management have a lot of similar thinking for the most part across the board. It's truly amazing what you will learn from a UPS management person about their own feeling especially once that manager has entered retirement and you and he share a steak dinner together. Even when he was a manager and you were the steward, it was surprising how much in common you had on the things you couldn't talk about at the time. To this day one of the things my wife and I enjoy the most it attending NASCAR races with my former supervisor and his wife who got out in 95'. We have a very good friendship that I treasure and I've learned alot through his eyes about UPS. I also don't look at the ground level management as all enemy either but like the hourly ranks, you've got some sorry asses mixed in with a large bunch of good people. I can only imagine how great we would be if all the junk and politics got out of the way so that all of us could work together and just do our jobs. FedEx wouldn't have a prayer and yes I really do believe that!</p><p> </p><p>Problem is that level of management has had the ability and authority to manage their operations stripped from them and they are nothing more than enforcement arms for the high powers who in many cases have never worked a day in the real world and wouldn't know it if they saw it. Their concern is nothing but what I got to do, who or what do I have to manipulate to look good in order to move up to a cushier and more powerful job. And to compound it all are the bean counters who are chasing a number in order to make a stock holder happy. At one time the means to a good stock price was servicing the customer and being the absolute best we can be. That is not the case anymore IMO. United Partial Service is the new name of this company!</p><p> </p><p>Oh, and one last thing to consider. Much worry is being expressed about APWA or the concern over the company taking over our pension. Now I'll agree that a company only pension would need some language in it to make me more comfortable but all this talk about UPS not being able to be trusted. I do understand some of that but last night in discussing the pension with another feeder driver of some years he gave me 2 words when it came to trusting the company and what the return on investment might be if we did. Those 2 words?</p><p> </p><p>Thrift Plan! And like you I couldn't argue with that either. </p><p> </p><p>JMHO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 100227, member: 2189"] I agree with the idea of a UPS only union but whether it comes to past or not is an extreme longshot IMO. APWA still has a long way to go IMO before that can even start to become a reality but I'm hopeful they get an honest shot at it and I encourage anyone to hear them out whether you agree with the idea or not. As for the comment about the employees caring more, in the case of the older employee I think in the majority of the cases that is true. I also find that generally speaking the older hourly and the older ground level management have a lot of similar thinking for the most part across the board. It's truly amazing what you will learn from a UPS management person about their own feeling especially once that manager has entered retirement and you and he share a steak dinner together. Even when he was a manager and you were the steward, it was surprising how much in common you had on the things you couldn't talk about at the time. To this day one of the things my wife and I enjoy the most it attending NASCAR races with my former supervisor and his wife who got out in 95'. We have a very good friendship that I treasure and I've learned alot through his eyes about UPS. I also don't look at the ground level management as all enemy either but like the hourly ranks, you've got some sorry asses mixed in with a large bunch of good people. I can only imagine how great we would be if all the junk and politics got out of the way so that all of us could work together and just do our jobs. FedEx wouldn't have a prayer and yes I really do believe that! Problem is that level of management has had the ability and authority to manage their operations stripped from them and they are nothing more than enforcement arms for the high powers who in many cases have never worked a day in the real world and wouldn't know it if they saw it. Their concern is nothing but what I got to do, who or what do I have to manipulate to look good in order to move up to a cushier and more powerful job. And to compound it all are the bean counters who are chasing a number in order to make a stock holder happy. At one time the means to a good stock price was servicing the customer and being the absolute best we can be. That is not the case anymore IMO. United Partial Service is the new name of this company! Oh, and one last thing to consider. Much worry is being expressed about APWA or the concern over the company taking over our pension. Now I'll agree that a company only pension would need some language in it to make me more comfortable but all this talk about UPS not being able to be trusted. I do understand some of that but last night in discussing the pension with another feeder driver of some years he gave me 2 words when it came to trusting the company and what the return on investment might be if we did. Those 2 words? Thrift Plan! And like you I couldn't argue with that either. JMHO [/QUOTE]
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