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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 167367" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Canon and Slothrop,</p><p> </p><p>With all due respect gentlemen, the issue of weapons is a mute point. Bush has settled that issue by admitting to the nation that there were no weapons found and that the intel was wrong. See the 12/18/05' speech. Iraq is not about WMD.</p><p> </p><p>This is one of the major reasons that now we hear the defense of our presence over there was about freeing the people from a murderer and despot and bringing them freedom. I also wonder how much effort on the part of the Saudi's and Kuwaitees was used on Washington to overthrow their Sunni brother to the north. Believe me, these guys feared Saddam way more than we ever did. Even Osama went to the Saudi royals himself in 91' and begged their permission for him to lead Al Queda into Kuwait to expell Saddam. Did you ever, ever wonder why it was after the Gulf War and our continued presence in the holy land of Saudi Arabia that Al Queda and Osama turned it's attentions toward the US? Remember, prior to this our only problems so to speak in the region had been with the ****es of Iraq and not the Sunni's. Also what are the odds that Osama a hard core religionist would ally with Saddam, a very secular but power hungry man into an alliance with each other. I know the "you enemy is my enemy" saying but with all the things going on here, this really doesn't wash at the end of the day. </p><p> </p><p>To learn the game, you've got to learn the players and their history. Why did Saddam go into Kuwait in the first place? The real answer is prior to the end of WW1 and the British and French recarving up the mideast, Kuwait was apart of what is now known as Iraq just as Lebanon was apart of Syria and just may explain a little why Syria keeps hanging around those quarters.</p><p> </p><p>Why are they so fearful of Israel? It all hinge's on a covenant God made with Abraham in the book of Genesis.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>What land mass does this description apply to?</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greater_Israels.jpg" target="_blank">Image:Greater Israels.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a> This map to anyone should speak volumes especially when you understand the significance the folks of these parts place on their religious documents and teachings. Outside of biblical scriptural interpretation, what other authority exists to mandate the existence of any state to be called by the name of Israel? Not suggesting they don't have the right to life, liberty and property (absolutely they do) but has theology become the mandate for geo-politics?</p><p> </p><p>As for terrorists, IMO the earlier comparsion of the of the folks involved in the Boston Tea Party with human sucide bombers is at best a wild stretch. The Boston Tea Party was an act against a gov't via it's most profitable revenue stream and the only victim to suffer demise was the tea itself. Yes, some suffered economic damage but of that day they would best be described as gov't sanctioned corporation via special prviledge of the King. King George's Halliburton if you will.</p><p> </p><p>Terrorist come in all stripes including Christian ones. I personally don't like abortion but bombing a clinic, you are a terrorist plain and simple and should face the full extent of the law. There are jewish terrorist and the Irgun is one good example. Many claim and with some facts to back it up that the State of Israel came into being as an independent state as a result of the acts of jewish terrorist.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun" target="_blank">Irgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p> </p><p>The late Meir Kahane, leader of the Jewish Defense League was considered by some to be a terrorist. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane" target="_blank">Meir Kahane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p> </p><p>The KKK is a terrorist organization and the many white supremacy groups of so many stripes you can't count them all could also be lumped into that mix but most have the common bond of Christianity. Muslims are not alone by any stretch in this area.</p><p> </p><p>Terrorist come in all shapes, sizes, religions and politics but IMO most are driven more by religion than they are politics. Politics is the prize to be seized as it's the only mechanism that the people see as the legit user of force to drive a society into the practice and beliefs of a specific religion and rarely the other way around.</p><p> </p><p>JMO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 167367, member: 2189"] Canon and Slothrop, With all due respect gentlemen, the issue of weapons is a mute point. Bush has settled that issue by admitting to the nation that there were no weapons found and that the intel was wrong. See the 12/18/05' speech. Iraq is not about WMD. This is one of the major reasons that now we hear the defense of our presence over there was about freeing the people from a murderer and despot and bringing them freedom. I also wonder how much effort on the part of the Saudi's and Kuwaitees was used on Washington to overthrow their Sunni brother to the north. Believe me, these guys feared Saddam way more than we ever did. Even Osama went to the Saudi royals himself in 91' and begged their permission for him to lead Al Queda into Kuwait to expell Saddam. Did you ever, ever wonder why it was after the Gulf War and our continued presence in the holy land of Saudi Arabia that Al Queda and Osama turned it's attentions toward the US? Remember, prior to this our only problems so to speak in the region had been with the ****es of Iraq and not the Sunni's. Also what are the odds that Osama a hard core religionist would ally with Saddam, a very secular but power hungry man into an alliance with each other. I know the "you enemy is my enemy" saying but with all the things going on here, this really doesn't wash at the end of the day. To learn the game, you've got to learn the players and their history. Why did Saddam go into Kuwait in the first place? The real answer is prior to the end of WW1 and the British and French recarving up the mideast, Kuwait was apart of what is now known as Iraq just as Lebanon was apart of Syria and just may explain a little why Syria keeps hanging around those quarters. Why are they so fearful of Israel? It all hinge's on a covenant God made with Abraham in the book of Genesis. What land mass does this description apply to? [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Greater_Israels.jpg]Image:Greater Israels.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] This map to anyone should speak volumes especially when you understand the significance the folks of these parts place on their religious documents and teachings. Outside of biblical scriptural interpretation, what other authority exists to mandate the existence of any state to be called by the name of Israel? Not suggesting they don't have the right to life, liberty and property (absolutely they do) but has theology become the mandate for geo-politics? As for terrorists, IMO the earlier comparsion of the of the folks involved in the Boston Tea Party with human sucide bombers is at best a wild stretch. The Boston Tea Party was an act against a gov't via it's most profitable revenue stream and the only victim to suffer demise was the tea itself. Yes, some suffered economic damage but of that day they would best be described as gov't sanctioned corporation via special prviledge of the King. King George's Halliburton if you will. Terrorist come in all stripes including Christian ones. I personally don't like abortion but bombing a clinic, you are a terrorist plain and simple and should face the full extent of the law. There are jewish terrorist and the Irgun is one good example. Many claim and with some facts to back it up that the State of Israel came into being as an independent state as a result of the acts of jewish terrorist. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun]Irgun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] The late Meir Kahane, leader of the Jewish Defense League was considered by some to be a terrorist. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane]Meir Kahane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] The KKK is a terrorist organization and the many white supremacy groups of so many stripes you can't count them all could also be lumped into that mix but most have the common bond of Christianity. Muslims are not alone by any stretch in this area. Terrorist come in all shapes, sizes, religions and politics but IMO most are driven more by religion than they are politics. Politics is the prize to be seized as it's the only mechanism that the people see as the legit user of force to drive a society into the practice and beliefs of a specific religion and rarely the other way around. JMO [/QUOTE]
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