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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 167510" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>With all due respect too, my position hasn't been that we are there for weapons. <u>With or without the wmd</u>, the UN authorized the use of "any means necessary" to enforce the resolutions. As stated by Ari Fleischer, the cease fire found in UN R.678 was based on certain conditions. When those conditions weren't met, that stands as the legal basis for an end to the cease fire. Argue it all you want, I understand there are two camps and my tent resides in the one that is outlined in black and white in the resolutions.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the input... I have dismiss the whole biblical tie-in for reasons that the formation of Isreal offers little justification for targeting civilians. If Israel isn't attacking anyone, they shouldn't be taking fire. jmo too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but you're going to have to tell what the "grand vision" is. Are you suggesting the ultimate goal was to become the president with the lowest ratings in history? Maybe Bush is a democratic "plant" pretending to be republican in order to secure a landslide victory in congress and almost guaranteeing the next president to be a democrat. We could have vacated long ago and at least maintained the hope of a republican president to succeed. As it stands now... the only way I could see a republican end up there is if some combination of democrats all fight for the seat. Hillary, obama, and kerry on different independent tickets. Thanks Perot.</p><p></p><p>But know this, I'm starting to feel like I'm not debating with someone actually interested in discussion. I reply to your posts with quotes from sources like New York Times, wikipedia, CIA website and resolutions themselves. The suggestion that there is some kind of conspiracy theory changes your debate from objective to nothing more than biased Bush bashing rhetoric. If that's the case, let me know in advanced and I'll not waste my time. </p><p></p><p>The current situation could have happened to ANY party given the response to inaccurate intelligence. You're quick with the condemnations... that seems to imply you have a solution in mind that differs from what is happening now. For the sake of argument: If you landed in the oval office today, what would be your next plan of action after granting yourself a pardon at BrownCafe?</p><p> </p><p></p><p>And to get back on track of my initial statement, I'm not here to establish "guilt". As I said in my original post, assignment of guilt is irrelevant to the situation. That will be hashed out in history. We're in Iraq, how do we get out?</p><p></p><p>Agreed, we're not high on the popularity list for the world. Nor have we lost anymore buildings since 9/11.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have a hard time telling Americans they don't have the freedom to protest those who are protecting their freedom to protest. I don't like it, but I support their <em>right</em> to do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 167510, member: 8423"] With all due respect too, my position hasn't been that we are there for weapons. [U]With or without the wmd[/U], the UN authorized the use of "any means necessary" to enforce the resolutions. As stated by Ari Fleischer, the cease fire found in UN R.678 was based on certain conditions. When those conditions weren't met, that stands as the legal basis for an end to the cease fire. Argue it all you want, I understand there are two camps and my tent resides in the one that is outlined in black and white in the resolutions. Thanks for the input... I have dismiss the whole biblical tie-in for reasons that the formation of Isreal offers little justification for targeting civilians. If Israel isn't attacking anyone, they shouldn't be taking fire. jmo too. Sorry, but you're going to have to tell what the "grand vision" is. Are you suggesting the ultimate goal was to become the president with the lowest ratings in history? Maybe Bush is a democratic "plant" pretending to be republican in order to secure a landslide victory in congress and almost guaranteeing the next president to be a democrat. We could have vacated long ago and at least maintained the hope of a republican president to succeed. As it stands now... the only way I could see a republican end up there is if some combination of democrats all fight for the seat. Hillary, obama, and kerry on different independent tickets. Thanks Perot. But know this, I'm starting to feel like I'm not debating with someone actually interested in discussion. I reply to your posts with quotes from sources like New York Times, wikipedia, CIA website and resolutions themselves. The suggestion that there is some kind of conspiracy theory changes your debate from objective to nothing more than biased Bush bashing rhetoric. If that's the case, let me know in advanced and I'll not waste my time. The current situation could have happened to ANY party given the response to inaccurate intelligence. You're quick with the condemnations... that seems to imply you have a solution in mind that differs from what is happening now. For the sake of argument: If you landed in the oval office today, what would be your next plan of action after granting yourself a pardon at BrownCafe? And to get back on track of my initial statement, I'm not here to establish "guilt". As I said in my original post, assignment of guilt is irrelevant to the situation. That will be hashed out in history. We're in Iraq, how do we get out? Agreed, we're not high on the popularity list for the world. Nor have we lost anymore buildings since 9/11. I have a hard time telling Americans they don't have the freedom to protest those who are protecting their freedom to protest. I don't like it, but I support their [I]right[/I] to do it. [/QUOTE]
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