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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 169136" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>You failed to post any thing that might look like support for your claim. You're still in checkmate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This was from your earlier post. It's not my opinion. It is article 42 of the geneva convention. You should see article 43...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not a list of "preconditions" you're supposed to see Jones, it's the laws aimed at protecting the civilians from the consequences of our actions like civil war. Those protections serve as a basis for <em>avoiding</em> violating international law by endangering the safety of the civilians. That's why organizations like the International Red Cross, HWR, and Amnesty International are involved. They <em>know</em> international law because it is their job to.</p><p></p><p>Leaving Iraq <em>before</em> Iraq is capable of taking care of itself would violate international law because it <strong><em>endagers the civilians</em></strong>... not because there's a list in the conventions that say you cannot do this or that. It's more a list of what your responsibilities are while there and for the safety of the citizens. Returning the govt and security to a point where it can defend and function for <em>the safety of the civilians is our responsibility</em>. Plain and simple. For some of us anyway.</p><p></p><p>Call it handwaving all you want, <strong>you still haven't posted a single link</strong> to ANYTHING that supports the legality of immediate withdrawl following belligerent occupation which resulted in the overthrow of the government and dismantling of their military. As such, your position becomes opinion.</p><p></p><p>Also, I have to point out you didn't address my posts from the UN saying exactly what I've been saying all along. How convenient for your argument.</p><p>Everybody else saw them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 169136, member: 8423"] You failed to post any thing that might look like support for your claim. You're still in checkmate. This was from your earlier post. It's not my opinion. It is article 42 of the geneva convention. You should see article 43... It's not a list of "preconditions" you're supposed to see Jones, it's the laws aimed at protecting the civilians from the consequences of our actions like civil war. Those protections serve as a basis for [I]avoiding[/I] violating international law by endangering the safety of the civilians. That's why organizations like the International Red Cross, HWR, and Amnesty International are involved. They [I]know[/I] international law because it is their job to. Leaving Iraq [I]before[/I] Iraq is capable of taking care of itself would violate international law because it [B][I]endagers the civilians[/I][/B]... not because there's a list in the conventions that say you cannot do this or that. It's more a list of what your responsibilities are while there and for the safety of the citizens. Returning the govt and security to a point where it can defend and function for [I]the safety of the civilians is our responsibility[/I]. Plain and simple. For some of us anyway. Call it handwaving all you want, [B]you still haven't posted a single link[/B] to ANYTHING that supports the legality of immediate withdrawl following belligerent occupation which resulted in the overthrow of the government and dismantling of their military. As such, your position becomes opinion. Also, I have to point out you didn't address my posts from the UN saying exactly what I've been saying all along. How convenient for your argument. Everybody else saw them. [/QUOTE]
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