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<blockquote data-quote="nospinzone" data-source="post: 171382" data-attributes="member: 1335"><p>Tom Coleman's interest in bustin unions is obvious, and he has had a successful career in doing so. What better way to add to his list than to take on the corrupt Teamsters. His job with the APWA is one-fold. Once we are free of the IBT, his job is complete. He is aware of this and has no interest in staying with the APWA once this separation is complete. His support of the APWA comes from the truly democratic, member-driven foundation the union has in its constitution. Corruption will only find itself into the APWA if the members allow it in. After the NLRB certification, Coleman is out, and the pro-labor legal team is in.</p><p></p><p> I beg to differ. I think that if UPS'rs had a union that was working for them instead of just using them, they would have a greater interest in participation. If you look at the numbers currently, UPS employees represent only 15% at best of the general IBT membership. Our voice is so diluted in the IBT elections, that there is no motivation to participate. APWA, where UPS employees would be voting on UPS issues without interference from other companies, would change that.</p><p></p><p> UPS isn't giving us a defined benefit pension. They don't give the IBT a defined benefit pension. They would continue to make <strong>defined contributions</strong> under the APWA plan. And the APWA isn't attempting to wrestle a larger defined benefit pension from UPS, since they don't do that now. They simply want to continue the same <strong>defined contributions </strong>currently followed, except we would get.......<strong>all of our money instead of just a fraction</strong>. That does make sense.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/cool.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nospinzone, post: 171382, member: 1335"] Tom Coleman's interest in bustin unions is obvious, and he has had a successful career in doing so. What better way to add to his list than to take on the corrupt Teamsters. His job with the APWA is one-fold. Once we are free of the IBT, his job is complete. He is aware of this and has no interest in staying with the APWA once this separation is complete. His support of the APWA comes from the truly democratic, member-driven foundation the union has in its constitution. Corruption will only find itself into the APWA if the members allow it in. After the NLRB certification, Coleman is out, and the pro-labor legal team is in. I beg to differ. I think that if UPS'rs had a union that was working for them instead of just using them, they would have a greater interest in participation. If you look at the numbers currently, UPS employees represent only 15% at best of the general IBT membership. Our voice is so diluted in the IBT elections, that there is no motivation to participate. APWA, where UPS employees would be voting on UPS issues without interference from other companies, would change that. UPS isn't giving us a defined benefit pension. They don't give the IBT a defined benefit pension. They would continue to make [B]defined contributions[/B] under the APWA plan. And the APWA isn't attempting to wrestle a larger defined benefit pension from UPS, since they don't do that now. They simply want to continue the same [B]defined contributions [/B]currently followed, except we would get.......[B]all of our money instead of just a fraction[/B]. That does make sense.:cool: [/QUOTE]
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