Atlanta/Management Needs to wake up!

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by HULKAMANIA, Nov 10, 2012.



    Im not referring to peak season here with this statement. Do any of you guys realize how these accidents are going through the roof lately? They want to play it off like these outrageous stops per car quotas have nothing to do with but Im afraid I have to disagree.

    In our region it seems like we are hearing about accidents every other day lately its getting insane. I mean what is it going to take for them to wake up and say OK maybe we need to back off a bit?

    I would seriously like to see how they are justifying their upped stops per car to save money, when they are going to start paying out the anus for personal injuries, and auto accidents. Im not saying those things dont already happen but its simple math. The more you work the more the probability goes up.
  2. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    I'm sure the Ivory tower has its reasons. I bet they are stupid ones also.
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2012
  3. Returntosender

    Returntosender Well-Known Member

    Was watching Ben Hur on AMC while reading your quote. Atlanta is the guy in the chair, the Roman Guards are Distict Managers, The guys with the whips are operations sups, the guy pounding the drum is parttime sup. The rowers are Teamsters UPSers.
  4. Over9.5

    Over9.5 New Member

    Maybe they will come out with yet another list of bs we have to memorize.....that'll make accidents go down....smh....They just aren't going to wake up bro.....get used to it.
  5. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    the pendulum will start to swing the other way only after a lot of damge has been done.

  6. rod

    rod retired and happy

    I guarantee there is more office space dedicated to "production" in Atlanta than there is to "safety". I can't picture the pendulum swinging toward "safety" any time soon ---if ever.
  7. Dracula

    Dracula Package Car is cake compared to this...

    This is why many of us try to tell you guys/gals to create a mental buffer from management performance harassment. Nobody will help you with this. It's all on your shoulders. You need to learn to ignore their demands. There are no shortcuts. You have to decide that this is what you are going to do. Because here is what happens when they realize you aren't speeding up: they will bury your dispatch. And you will work much later than normal. So if you start taking shortcuts, because you are getting tired of working later, then you're heading for trouble. If you get into the habit of cutting corners to get off earlier, or just so you can get done without missing packages, or to avoid feeling their wrath, you're a mistake waiting to be discovered. Because that pressure WILL come. It's up to you to stand up and defend your standards and work methods. The rest is in UPS's lap.

    If you cut corners, it's only a matter of time before you get yourself into an incident. That might be a wreck, an injury, or a screw-up in your job. As far as getting into a wreck, basically, you're on your own. You can't say, "I felt under pressure because of your excessive demands." UPS covers their ass with all of the safety training they give us. And no, that doesn't make it right on their part, but it gives them the fall back to say, "Yes, he/she was trained properly, and they failed to follow proper methods." And you won't be able to argue with them, if, in fact, you received their training. And it's very unlikely that you haven't been trained. In feeders, the better, older drivers always take aside the new guys who come back here with the burner mentality. They tell them that they are one accident away from losing their job, because in feeders, that is a very real possibility. Now many of these numb nuts refuse the message, so they're on their own. And hopefully they won't kill someone on the road.

    Production harassment will never go away at this company. So each one of us needs to make peace with it, and carve out our own space. And you need to stick with it, whether your day is perfect or impossible. This is why many of us here repeat, over and over, to follow their methods by the book. UPS buries us in methods, and if you follow them you will probably find that you get more time and money.

    All of their safe driving habits will keep you safe on the road, if you follow them. I know, I know, I resisted them early on just like many of you do too. No one likes stupid people telling us how to do things, but the information is correct. Hell, the 5 seeing habits aren't even from UPS. They're from a guy named Harold Smith who came up with them in 1952 for big rig truck drivers. But it is in your own interest to learn them, and protect yourself.

    Bottom line is this: get yourself in a position where you go to work every single day, and do the job by the book. You don't want to be the driver who has a picture of your wrecked UPS vehicle on the check-in room wall. You don't want to be the reason your center is discussing why it's important to look left, right, left going into an intersection. You don't want to be the reason the PCM is about getting out and checking if you're not sure where you're backing. You don't want to be the driver who is suspended, posting on this forum, wondering if you'll get your job back, just because you lost your focus for a split second.

    Because then you're living in UPS purgatory. And that's no place you want to be.

    You'll always be able to fight for your job on even ground when it comes to the production game at UPS. They can't fire you for that. They might try, and they certainly will attempt to intimidate you into becoming one of "their" drivers, but you will never lose your job for production. But you DEFINITELY can lose your job because you wrecked or failed to follow their methods or instructions. Plenty of people on this forum are happy to explain how they skip this or that, or rush, rush, rush. Those people are the ones who tend to make the big mistakes, even if it hasn't happened yet. And not much you tell them makes a difference. You don't want to be a driver like that. No matter how much pressure you feel, no matter how bad you want to be off at normal hours like most other people.

    Play it safe. Keep your job. No one feels worse than the driver who is calling UPS to report an accident. They make sure of it. Play it safe.
  8. stoni24

    stoni24 New Member

    Great post
  9. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Management keeps trying to push but you as a driver needs to establish what kind of driver you are. Will you take shortcuts to fix their problems or will you push back? They sent me out one time with almost two full routes worth of work and put me on a route cold. Their words "We need you to get this done, do whatever you have to we don't have help." When I took my lunch at 2:00 and sent my ETA in (12:00AM) they knew they where screwed. That wont happen again and even if it does I will play it the same way.
  10. Scottyhawk

    Scottyhawk What is it? A brown box. Duh

    Every time the sup yells get the light out on the sort table, I say moving as fast as I can boss, which is a nice and steady pace
  11. hurricanegunner

    hurricanegunner UPSPoop

    The ten keys to avoiding being t-boned after a drunken bar hopper runs a red light at an intersection.
  12. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    Don't worry! A few of you guys getting hurt in accidents is a small amount to pay for our record profits!!
  13. rod

    rod retired and happy



    I agree with everything you guys are saying. However at the end of the day we work for a company that will harrass us if we do push back. Thats the problem I have. We shouldnt be harrassed because we want to be safe when they PREACH safety FIRST!
  15. Dracula

    Dracula Package Car is cake compared to this...

    But they do harass us, and that will never end. So you need to figure which way you're going to head.
  16. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    Harassment for production will never hold up, since the union will not recognize their stupid numbers, so you should not allow their "harassment" to get to you.

    Now, I'm not gonna come here and pretend to be something I'm not. On an average day, if I'm on a route I like and it's not a HORRIBLE dispatch, I'll mostly burn it up. My management team knows which routes I kill and which ones I won't. If they treat me with respect and leave me alone, then I won't work 12 hours a day, and they know that.
  17. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Obscured by Mirrors Staff Member

    Finally! Somebody with a little business sense!
    I was wondering if everyone was a dunce.
  18. UnsurePost

    UnsurePost making the unreadable unreadabler

    No worries, it's only a catagory 1 hurricane...start time is moved up two hours forward.
  19. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    Draculas post should be in every locker room in the country.

  20. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    I was taught by my father to do things right. To be honest. To try to do your best.

    When I worked two minimum wage jobs to put myself thru truck driving school I met an excellent instructor who preached the same things. He also told me that I had a decision to make. Was I going to be a professional driver or one of those "other guys?"

    So when a manager criticizes me for job performance after I had done my best , it causes a lot of stress. I understand their tactics. They work with most people. It takes a lot of character to stand your ground when everyone else around you is falling down.

    We have to believe that we can make a difference. By being a good example and a mentor to young and impressionable people. All I try to do is make my little corner of the world a better place.