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<blockquote data-quote="hoser" data-source="post: 123901" data-attributes="member: 6357"><p>I love it! You HATE UPS, but you're their top shill when you don't like something you hear.</p><p></p><p>I'm a UPS package handler, guy. And yes FX was all envelopes. It was great. Master shortcuts of doing a professional job? That's not angsty one bit. How's their stock? More proof of taking shortcuts, I gather?</p><p></p><p></p><p>UPS doesn't employ bike couriers, as far as I know, although I know that was the business they were in when they were founded.</p><p></p><p>Bike couriers are owner operators who provide services to to a company, who provide services to companies that need their letters, boxes to get to their recipent NOW (not next day by noon). Bike messengers earn a commission on every piece they pick up and deliver, and dispatching is done on the fly; you have to be able to route and improvise in the downtown core in your head efficently, or else you're losing money. In the summer I'd be happy with $125 a day, in the winter I'd be unhappy with less than $175 a day. </p><p></p><p>I would ride and walk 65km (37.2m) in a day, with no formal lunch break (I eat whenever there's food at or within 20 paces of my stop), averaging 90 stops per day in the summer and 110 in the winter.</p><p></p><p>A lot of you will now go off about how tough it is to ride stick in a p500, and will argue to the death that UPS is harder. It is, in the sense that moving 20 computer servers from your truck to an office is a big itch, management is a bigger itch, and you can pull long days (bike messengers only work 0800-1700 at the very latest). But I would love to see the namecalling union apologists ride a track bike (read: one gear, no brakes) with a 25lb file box under one arm because hey, it pays $3.50 and it's only four blocks away.</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah, and did I mention there's no union or worker's comp to protect couriers when they get hit by cars? </p><p></p><p>And once again, for the people on this forum who seem to love to ignore facts and sensationalize sentences they disagree with: I AM A UPS EMPLOYEE AND I KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS OF AN ORGANIZATION IT IS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hoser, post: 123901, member: 6357"] I love it! You HATE UPS, but you're their top shill when you don't like something you hear. I'm a UPS package handler, guy. And yes FX was all envelopes. It was great. Master shortcuts of doing a professional job? That's not angsty one bit. How's their stock? More proof of taking shortcuts, I gather? UPS doesn't employ bike couriers, as far as I know, although I know that was the business they were in when they were founded. Bike couriers are owner operators who provide services to to a company, who provide services to companies that need their letters, boxes to get to their recipent NOW (not next day by noon). Bike messengers earn a commission on every piece they pick up and deliver, and dispatching is done on the fly; you have to be able to route and improvise in the downtown core in your head efficently, or else you're losing money. In the summer I'd be happy with $125 a day, in the winter I'd be unhappy with less than $175 a day. I would ride and walk 65km (37.2m) in a day, with no formal lunch break (I eat whenever there's food at or within 20 paces of my stop), averaging 90 stops per day in the summer and 110 in the winter. A lot of you will now go off about how tough it is to ride stick in a p500, and will argue to the death that UPS is harder. It is, in the sense that moving 20 computer servers from your truck to an office is a big itch, management is a bigger itch, and you can pull long days (bike messengers only work 0800-1700 at the very latest). But I would love to see the namecalling union apologists ride a track bike (read: one gear, no brakes) with a 25lb file box under one arm because hey, it pays $3.50 and it's only four blocks away. Oh yeah, and did I mention there's no union or worker's comp to protect couriers when they get hit by cars? And once again, for the people on this forum who seem to love to ignore facts and sensationalize sentences they disagree with: I AM A UPS EMPLOYEE AND I KNOW HOW RIDICULOUS OF AN ORGANIZATION IT IS. [/QUOTE]
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