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<blockquote data-quote="newfie" data-source="post: 1916747" data-attributes="member: 58700">quote from Jones reference &quot;This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing.&#039;clearly a subjective phrase that when applied loses any hope of being a factual reference.&nbsp; To then make its case the author delves into semantics stating that while these records have not been released they have never the less not been sealed by court. in either case whether sealed or not released the end result remains the same. So a factual reference would acknowledge that whether sealed or not those records are still unattainable and at last count Obama has so far spent approximately 1.4 million dollars fighting any efforts to access those records.thus the answer is yes the records have been secured from the public by what means you wish to refer to it as and the question remains what exactly is Obama hiding from the pubic that would be contained in those records.that my friend is factual.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="newfie, post: 1916747, member: 58700"] quote from Jones reference "This is an example of mostly old baloney in a new casing.' clearly a subjective phrase that when applied loses any hope of being a factual reference. To then make its case the author delves into semantics stating that while these records have not been released they have never the less not been sealed by court. in either case whether sealed or not released the end result remains the same. So a factual reference would acknowledge that whether sealed or not those records are still unattainable and at last count Obama has so far spent approximately 1.4 million dollars fighting any efforts to access those records. thus the answer is yes the records have been secured from the public by what means you wish to refer to it as and the question remains what exactly is Obama hiding from the pubic that would be contained in those records. that my friend is factual. [/QUOTE]

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