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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4382357" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>I don't really want to write another book tonight, so I'll try to be brief. Lysander Spooner believed that every generation should draw up its own constitution, for that very reason. But the constitition, at least in the US, doesn't directly place any burden on individuals, except for jury duty, even voting isn't mandatory. Rather it constrains government power, affirms natural rights, and establishes the government's responsibility to protect those rights. Not too bad of a contract for us as individuals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Arnarchy is a failure because it immediatey leads to despotism and, in turn, tyranical statism. Even tribes have hierarchical structures. Someone has to have a final say, or you only have violence as a means of settling disputes. In that sense, the only thing that changes as a society grows, is the complexity.</p><p></p><p>I disagree with your assertion, if I understand it correctly, that human nature is shaped, or dependant on historical conditions. Individual psychology is hopeless as a field of study, but group psychology is understood well enough to be able to say that humans have a nature. The biggest drivers of human behavior are timeless: survival, the drive to reproduce, and impending death. Those things don't change, regardless of conditions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Liberty is an ideal, and ideals are, by definition, unachievable. But they give you a direction in which to orient your way of thinking. The practical considerations involved in forming a "more perfect" society requires compromise between the interests of the individual and the interests of society as a whole, while subordinating the society to the individual.</p><p></p><p>Market economies are as separate an idea from individual liberty as socialism is from communism. Market economies are better at creating the conditions that allow for the greatest amount of individual liberty. At least that's the way I see it.</p><p></p><p>So much for brevity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4382357, member: 63706"] I don't really want to write another book tonight, so I'll try to be brief. Lysander Spooner believed that every generation should draw up its own constitution, for that very reason. But the constitition, at least in the US, doesn't directly place any burden on individuals, except for jury duty, even voting isn't mandatory. Rather it constrains government power, affirms natural rights, and establishes the government's responsibility to protect those rights. Not too bad of a contract for us as individuals. Arnarchy is a failure because it immediatey leads to despotism and, in turn, tyranical statism. Even tribes have hierarchical structures. Someone has to have a final say, or you only have violence as a means of settling disputes. In that sense, the only thing that changes as a society grows, is the complexity. I disagree with your assertion, if I understand it correctly, that human nature is shaped, or dependant on historical conditions. Individual psychology is hopeless as a field of study, but group psychology is understood well enough to be able to say that humans have a nature. The biggest drivers of human behavior are timeless: survival, the drive to reproduce, and impending death. Those things don't change, regardless of conditions. Liberty is an ideal, and ideals are, by definition, unachievable. But they give you a direction in which to orient your way of thinking. The practical considerations involved in forming a "more perfect" society requires compromise between the interests of the individual and the interests of society as a whole, while subordinating the society to the individual. Market economies are as separate an idea from individual liberty as socialism is from communism. Market economies are better at creating the conditions that allow for the greatest amount of individual liberty. At least that's the way I see it. So much for brevity. [/QUOTE]
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