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<blockquote data-quote="BrownFlush" data-source="post: 4986857" data-attributes="member: 65823"><p>Jesus is the Head of the Church. His Church.</p><p>Pentecost. The day the church came into being as prophesied in Jerusalem.</p><p></p><p>I’d like to give you some things to consider from the Bible concerning the “ the priest literally consecrating bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Jesus"</p><p>1. A chemical analysis would certainly show that after the priest blesses it, that it would literally still be bread and wine, but that wouldn't convince you of that because the Catholic Church teaches that it's just a mystery how God does that.</p><p>2. Please note: the question is not "Could Jesus do that?" Of course. Jesus can do anything. The question is "Did Jesus do that and is that what he means when he says" this is my body and my blood." I'm all for taking the Bible literally ...when it was meant to be taken literally. Example: Jesus said, "I am the Door" Nobody is going around saying Jesus is a Door. " I am the Vine" No one thinks that Jesus is a literal plant. Jesus was very capable of speaking figuratively and did so often. Jesus says he speaks figuratively at times.( John 16:25. )</p><p>3. In John 6:53 "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you." Literal? Some people there were repulsed by that and left. There was some discussion there ...then <strong>...</strong>John 6: 60-63 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? <strong>Notice </strong>what gives life...It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The <strong>words</strong> that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.... Jesus is saying it was a figure of speech in V53. He didn't literally mean for them to become cannibals ..he was saying take in what he was saying and teaching..digest that.</p><p>4. If Jesus literally turned the cup into blood and told his apostles to drink it, he is literally telling them to break the law of Moses (which all lived under at this time) and do what is sinful and wrong. Lev.17:13 and other places forbade the drinking of blood. It was a sin to drink blood.</p><p>5. In Mark 14:23-25 Jesus doesn't say it's real blood...he calls it what it is and what it will be when it hits your gut.. fruit of the vine.</p><p>....Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it. <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/2036.htm" target="_blank">He said</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/846.htm" target="_blank">to them,</a><a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3778.htm" target="_blank">“This</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm" target="_blank">is</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1473.htm" target="_blank">My</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/129.htm" target="_blank">blood</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm" target="_blank">of the</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1242.htm" target="_blank">covenant,</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm" target="_blank">which</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/1632.htm" target="_blank">is poured out </a><a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/5228.htm" target="_blank">for</a> <a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/4183.htm" target="_blank">many.</a> 25Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”…</p><p>6.1 Cor.11:26 Paul doesn't talk about eating flesh but bread.</p><p></p><p>These points and others convince me the elements do not change. They remain unleavened bread and fruit of the vine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownFlush, post: 4986857, member: 65823"] Jesus is the Head of the Church. His Church. Pentecost. The day the church came into being as prophesied in Jerusalem. I’d like to give you some things to consider from the Bible concerning the “ the priest literally consecrating bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Jesus" 1. A chemical analysis would certainly show that after the priest blesses it, that it would literally still be bread and wine, but that wouldn't convince you of that because the Catholic Church teaches that it's just a mystery how God does that. 2. Please note: the question is not "Could Jesus do that?" Of course. Jesus can do anything. The question is "Did Jesus do that and is that what he means when he says" this is my body and my blood." I'm all for taking the Bible literally ...when it was meant to be taken literally. Example: Jesus said, "I am the Door" Nobody is going around saying Jesus is a Door. " I am the Vine" No one thinks that Jesus is a literal plant. Jesus was very capable of speaking figuratively and did so often. Jesus says he speaks figuratively at times.( John 16:25. ) 3. In John 6:53 "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you." Literal? Some people there were repulsed by that and left. There was some discussion there ...then [B]...[/B]John 6: 60-63 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? [B]Notice [/B]what gives life...It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The [B]words[/B] that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.... Jesus is saying it was a figure of speech in V53. He didn't literally mean for them to become cannibals ..he was saying take in what he was saying and teaching..digest that. 4. If Jesus literally turned the cup into blood and told his apostles to drink it, he is literally telling them to break the law of Moses (which all lived under at this time) and do what is sinful and wrong. Lev.17:13 and other places forbade the drinking of blood. It was a sin to drink blood. 5. In Mark 14:23-25 Jesus doesn't say it's real blood...he calls it what it is and what it will be when it hits your gut.. fruit of the vine. ....Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it. [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/2036.htm']He said[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/846.htm']to them,[/URL][URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/3778.htm']“This[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm']is[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/1473.htm']My[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/129.htm']blood[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm']of the[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/1242.htm']covenant,[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm']which[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/1632.htm']is poured out [/URL][URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/5228.htm']for[/URL] [URL='https://biblehub.com/greek/4183.htm']many.[/URL] 25Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”… 6.1 Cor.11:26 Paul doesn't talk about eating flesh but bread. These points and others convince me the elements do not change. They remain unleavened bread and fruit of the vine. [/QUOTE]
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