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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4784891" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p>yea im gonna look up howard zinn on the civil war</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x631841:[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Barresi brings up public apologies -- like Clinton's apology for slavery (Zinn says apologies substitute for real action) -- and then they segue into a discussion of the NAACP's fight to have South Carolina take the Confederate flag down from its statehouse, Barresi mentioning "but then there is the glaring contradiction of the American flag flying unquestioned." I've bolded Zinn's words.</p><p></p><p></p><p>HZ: <strong>That's interesting. If somebody suggested we take down the American flag...because the American flag was, for most of its history, really wrapped around the confederate flag... Right. In fact, it's more serious. The confederacy never invaded the Phillipines. We might call for a substitution of the confederate flag for the American flag! </strong>(laughs)</p><p></p><p></p><p>DB: It's interesting how that functions to "cut off' a part of the country, or a smaller population, to be left with the blame.</p><p></p><p></p><p>HZ: <strong>Yeah, that's a very interesting point. In fact, the whole national culture- well, especially in the North- is based on the fact that the South is racist and the North is liberal, and that slavery and racism were southern phenomena which the North was going to correct. Of course, it completely ignores the amount of racism in the North and the support of slavery by the federal government. One of the things I always tried to emphasize was that the Civil Rights movement was not a movement directed primarily against southern segregation. The fundamental problem was not the state legislatures, or the local police, or the state segregation laws. That whole network of racial segregation laws was supported by the federal government. The federal government simply refused to enforce the 14th and 15th amendments. Therefore, black people had to do it themselves. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>So I would never get excited about whether the American or confederate flag is hanging or not hanging. I just couldn't care less about that issue... To me it's not an important issue. There are people on the left who get all wrapped up in the issue of "should we or should we not have the right to burn the flag?" I just don't care enough about it. It's a deflection from really important things that need to be said. </strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4784891, member: 56035"] yea im gonna look up howard zinn on the civil war [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x631841:[/URL] Barresi brings up public apologies -- like Clinton's apology for slavery (Zinn says apologies substitute for real action) -- and then they segue into a discussion of the NAACP's fight to have South Carolina take the Confederate flag down from its statehouse, Barresi mentioning "but then there is the glaring contradiction of the American flag flying unquestioned." I've bolded Zinn's words. HZ: [B]That's interesting. If somebody suggested we take down the American flag...because the American flag was, for most of its history, really wrapped around the confederate flag... Right. In fact, it's more serious. The confederacy never invaded the Phillipines. We might call for a substitution of the confederate flag for the American flag! [/B](laughs) DB: It's interesting how that functions to "cut off' a part of the country, or a smaller population, to be left with the blame. HZ: [B]Yeah, that's a very interesting point. In fact, the whole national culture- well, especially in the North- is based on the fact that the South is racist and the North is liberal, and that slavery and racism were southern phenomena which the North was going to correct. Of course, it completely ignores the amount of racism in the North and the support of slavery by the federal government. One of the things I always tried to emphasize was that the Civil Rights movement was not a movement directed primarily against southern segregation. The fundamental problem was not the state legislatures, or the local police, or the state segregation laws. That whole network of racial segregation laws was supported by the federal government. The federal government simply refused to enforce the 14th and 15th amendments. Therefore, black people had to do it themselves. So I would never get excited about whether the American or confederate flag is hanging or not hanging. I just couldn't care less about that issue... To me it's not an important issue. There are people on the left who get all wrapped up in the issue of "should we or should we not have the right to burn the flag?" I just don't care enough about it. It's a deflection from really important things that need to be said. [/B] [/QUOTE]
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