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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4868754" data-attributes="member: 63706">That&#039;s not what I said, and I don&#039;t feel the need to detail all the problems with this statement. Grouping all white people together as an oppressive group, aside from being inane and untrue, is an unbelievable oversimplification of history, meant only to divide us as a nation. That&#039;s a problem.Nothing wrong with teaching about the civil rights movement.Congratulations. The civil rights movement was not the most important event in all history. The fixation on &quot;race relations&quot; is very problematic.I&#039;m glad you feel you won the &quot;cultural lottery&quot; but it is a delusion, and highly racist, to think simply being born a white man makes life a stroll in the park, even by comparison. I don&#039;t know how else to frame it to help you understand the issue. Teaching things as truth that are matters of perspective at best and outright lies at worst is a form of psychological abuse, sometimes referred to as gaslighting. If you willingly accept a false narrative, it wouldn&#039;t be brainwashing. But I don&#039;t believe I was the one who made that claim, correct me if I&#039;m wrong.First, i&#039;ll stipulate that we both have the same understanding of what you mean by the &quot;leftist agenda&quot; for simplicity&#039;s sake.Second, the problems weren&#039;t so rampant when I was in school. Third there are still beliefs that I was taught growing up that I am realizing simply aren&#039;t true, and am still working to correct. Finally I was quick to catch on that most people are simply scumbags, and many are ignorant or have their own issues that cause their views of reality to be skewed, so I have generally been pretty skeptical of just about everything. But that didn&#039;t come without a price. I have trusted the wrong people, and gotten burnt over and over. I eventually learned to be skeptical even of myself. If you want some good perspective on both rooting out and challenging your own assumptions, I recommend listening to some of Allan Watts&#039; stuff. He approaches the matter of reality from a mixture of western judeo-christian and eastern philosophies. Pretty good stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4868754, member: 63706"] That's not what I said, and I don't feel the need to detail all the problems with this statement. Grouping all white people together as an oppressive group, aside from being inane and untrue, is an unbelievable oversimplification of history, meant only to divide us as a nation. That's a problem. Nothing wrong with teaching about the civil rights movement. Congratulations. The civil rights movement was not the most important event in all history. The fixation on "race relations" is very problematic. I'm glad you feel you won the "cultural lottery" but it is a delusion, and highly racist, to think simply being born a white man makes life a stroll in the park, even by comparison. I don't know how else to frame it to help you understand the issue. Teaching things as truth that are matters of perspective at best and outright lies at worst is a form of psychological abuse, sometimes referred to as gaslighting. If you willingly accept a false narrative, it wouldn't be brainwashing. But I don't believe I was the one who made that claim, correct me if I'm wrong. First, i'll stipulate that we both have the same understanding of what you mean by the "leftist agenda" for simplicity's sake. Second, the problems weren't so rampant when I was in school. Third there are still beliefs that I was taught growing up that I am realizing simply aren't true, and am still working to correct. Finally I was quick to catch on that most people are simply scumbags, and many are ignorant or have their own issues that cause their views of reality to be skewed, so I have generally been pretty skeptical of just about everything. But that didn't come without a price. I have trusted the wrong people, and gotten burnt over and over. I eventually learned to be skeptical even of myself. If you want some good perspective on both rooting out and challenging your own assumptions, I recommend listening to some of Allan Watts' stuff. He approaches the matter of reality from a mixture of western judeo-christian and eastern philosophies. Pretty good stuff. [/QUOTE]

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