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<blockquote data-quote="pickup" data-source="post: 515597"><p>yep, we ruined it, but it was a thread that if kept strictly to it , it would have had the life span of a mayfly, plus since I started the thread it makes no difference if it morphs into a discussion on best linoleum choices for a kitchen floor.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" /></p><p></p><p>As for Mr. Rose, he finally admitted around 2005 0r 2004 that he did bet on his team to win when he was a manager.(after years of denying the allegations that he bet on his to win and sometimes to lose). Let's assume he didn't bet on them to lose which would definitely affect the integrity of the game. Okay let's say one night he bet on them to win, knowing his starting pitcher worked out the kinks in his mechanics( on his four off days) and is capable tonight of reverting back to form which is usually a 2.2 era as opposed to his last four starts where he had a 5.4 era due to his mechanics being screwed up(due to a twisted vertebra, chiropractor finally fixed the problem) . So he knows something the oddsmakers don't and bets heavily on his team to win tonight especially with the fact that the other team's starter stinks. jj(for editing purposes)</p><p> So game starts, and the reds pitcher has a rough first 2 inning giving up 3 runs and going long into his pitch count. He finally settles down in the 3rd and the other starting pitcher pitches the way he normally pitches so by the 7th inning, the game is tied at 5-5 and the eighth inning comes and the reds starting pitcher has thrown 132 pitches and is showing signs of strain, as he lives off the fastball). Pete Rose needs to get a run scored which he thinks he can with the part of his batting order coming up and needs to keep the other team from scoring in the eighth until he can get to his reliever who normally only pitches one inning but is lights out. So instead of taking out his straining starting pitcher , he leaves him in for the inning. the guy reaches back and throws the high heat and no one scores. Everything else goes to plan and reds win 6-5. Great, who got hurt? Well, the starting pitcher now has a dead arm (cause Pete has overused him this game and other games he bet on to win) and is now looking at a tear in his rotator cuff because of the over use. He has rotator cuff surgery 3 weeks later, out for the rest of season. He comes back next season and never regains his form and is never signed to a new contract and is now a coke snorting used car salesman muttering "I coulda been a contender". </p><p></p><p>Had Pete not bet the game , he might have thought more about the long term welfare of his starting pitcher and not about the short term prospect of his bet . This is a hypothetical situation but it is not far fetched. A manager betting on his team to win puts him in a situation to profit from ignoring the real effects it might have on the health of his players. Sort of like managers in certain companies who have their bonuses linked to the achievement of certain performance numbers which can only be achieved if they implicitly encourage their runners and gunners to ignore the methods that ensure their safety.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pickup, post: 515597"] yep, we ruined it, but it was a thread that if kept strictly to it , it would have had the life span of a mayfly, plus since I started the thread it makes no difference if it morphs into a discussion on best linoleum choices for a kitchen floor.:happy2: As for Mr. Rose, he finally admitted around 2005 0r 2004 that he did bet on his team to win when he was a manager.(after years of denying the allegations that he bet on his to win and sometimes to lose). Let's assume he didn't bet on them to lose which would definitely affect the integrity of the game. Okay let's say one night he bet on them to win, knowing his starting pitcher worked out the kinks in his mechanics( on his four off days) and is capable tonight of reverting back to form which is usually a 2.2 era as opposed to his last four starts where he had a 5.4 era due to his mechanics being screwed up(due to a twisted vertebra, chiropractor finally fixed the problem) . So he knows something the oddsmakers don't and bets heavily on his team to win tonight especially with the fact that the other team's starter stinks. jj(for editing purposes) So game starts, and the reds pitcher has a rough first 2 inning giving up 3 runs and going long into his pitch count. He finally settles down in the 3rd and the other starting pitcher pitches the way he normally pitches so by the 7th inning, the game is tied at 5-5 and the eighth inning comes and the reds starting pitcher has thrown 132 pitches and is showing signs of strain, as he lives off the fastball). Pete Rose needs to get a run scored which he thinks he can with the part of his batting order coming up and needs to keep the other team from scoring in the eighth until he can get to his reliever who normally only pitches one inning but is lights out. So instead of taking out his straining starting pitcher , he leaves him in for the inning. the guy reaches back and throws the high heat and no one scores. Everything else goes to plan and reds win 6-5. Great, who got hurt? Well, the starting pitcher now has a dead arm (cause Pete has overused him this game and other games he bet on to win) and is now looking at a tear in his rotator cuff because of the over use. He has rotator cuff surgery 3 weeks later, out for the rest of season. He comes back next season and never regains his form and is never signed to a new contract and is now a coke snorting used car salesman muttering "I coulda been a contender". Had Pete not bet the game , he might have thought more about the long term welfare of his starting pitcher and not about the short term prospect of his bet . This is a hypothetical situation but it is not far fetched. A manager betting on his team to win puts him in a situation to profit from ignoring the real effects it might have on the health of his players. Sort of like managers in certain companies who have their bonuses linked to the achievement of certain performance numbers which can only be achieved if they implicitly encourage their runners and gunners to ignore the methods that ensure their safety. [/QUOTE]
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