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<blockquote data-quote="Dracula" data-source="post: 1114193" data-attributes="member: 42691"><p>Jeez, I don't even know where to start. Your hatred of TDU clouds your vision, I think. Ken P isn't my leader, as you put it. Last I checked, I don't pay dues to him or TDU. I have, however, bought books from their web site. Books that assist me with labor laws, DOT rules and guidance that helps me at work when I butt heads with management. Funny, but none of this is available from our union. It should be. My local is a big Hoffa backer, and always has been, so I'm used to the TDU hate. Most of the guys I know that bad-mouth TDU repeat what they hear from our union. Very few of them will say why they hate them so much. Facts are facts, no matter where they come from. If they TDU website points something out that our union doesn't, I appreciate it. I don't automatically shun the info because of where it comes from. Again, facts are facts.</p><p></p><p>The front page of TDU's website today, has a link for UPS Contract Update. In the first paragraph, it list's what hall has proposed. Then, in the very next paragraph, it says this:</p><p></p><p>"These are bargaining demands that all UPS Teamsters can unite around. The big turnout at Teamster contract meetings across the country showed that members are ready to fight for a fair contract at UPS."</p><p></p><p>Hmm, if I didn't know better, I would think that sounds like the "Communists" agree and back what Hall has negotiated. Maybe not. After all, I'm just a truck driver that "can't think for himself", as you say. SO maybe you can tell me what to think...</p><p></p><p>It boggles my mind how you think Paff wants to break our union and is in the back pockets of UPS. TDU has never taken UPS money. Hoffa has. Every article, every webpage I've ever read over the years from TDU has to do with fighting for union members against companies like UPS. Yes, they definitely hold the union's feet to the fire when it's deserved. And guess what? They don't like it. If I were a union official, drawing multiple salaries and benefits from member's hard earned dues, and someone made that public, I too would be concerned. As a member, I appreciate someone showing me that information. Excessive salaries and benefits from union officials, when our economy is hurting and membership is falling, is the very thing that makes our union look bad. Both inside and outside of the union. Anyone who doesn't want that information available to our membership has a lot to hide, and is against everything a union should be. </p><p></p><p>And Hoffa made $372,000, not $294,000. Why not say the the truth? And I don't care about Ken P's salary, because I don't pay him dues. </p><p></p><p>Also, isn't Hoaxster a former manager? Why are you so concerned with protecting him? I didn't know I hurt his feelings. He's jabbed me before, I've jabbed him. Big deal. It's a web forum. He seems like he can roll with punches just fine and doesn't seem to need a union steward to protect him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dracula, post: 1114193, member: 42691"] Jeez, I don't even know where to start. Your hatred of TDU clouds your vision, I think. Ken P isn't my leader, as you put it. Last I checked, I don't pay dues to him or TDU. I have, however, bought books from their web site. Books that assist me with labor laws, DOT rules and guidance that helps me at work when I butt heads with management. Funny, but none of this is available from our union. It should be. My local is a big Hoffa backer, and always has been, so I'm used to the TDU hate. Most of the guys I know that bad-mouth TDU repeat what they hear from our union. Very few of them will say why they hate them so much. Facts are facts, no matter where they come from. If they TDU website points something out that our union doesn't, I appreciate it. I don't automatically shun the info because of where it comes from. Again, facts are facts. The front page of TDU's website today, has a link for UPS Contract Update. In the first paragraph, it list's what hall has proposed. Then, in the very next paragraph, it says this: "These are bargaining demands that all UPS Teamsters can unite around. The big turnout at Teamster contract meetings across the country showed that members are ready to fight for a fair contract at UPS." Hmm, if I didn't know better, I would think that sounds like the "Communists" agree and back what Hall has negotiated. Maybe not. After all, I'm just a truck driver that "can't think for himself", as you say. SO maybe you can tell me what to think... It boggles my mind how you think Paff wants to break our union and is in the back pockets of UPS. TDU has never taken UPS money. Hoffa has. Every article, every webpage I've ever read over the years from TDU has to do with fighting for union members against companies like UPS. Yes, they definitely hold the union's feet to the fire when it's deserved. And guess what? They don't like it. If I were a union official, drawing multiple salaries and benefits from member's hard earned dues, and someone made that public, I too would be concerned. As a member, I appreciate someone showing me that information. Excessive salaries and benefits from union officials, when our economy is hurting and membership is falling, is the very thing that makes our union look bad. Both inside and outside of the union. Anyone who doesn't want that information available to our membership has a lot to hide, and is against everything a union should be. And Hoffa made $372,000, not $294,000. Why not say the the truth? And I don't care about Ken P's salary, because I don't pay him dues. Also, isn't Hoaxster a former manager? Why are you so concerned with protecting him? I didn't know I hurt his feelings. He's jabbed me before, I've jabbed him. Big deal. It's a web forum. He seems like he can roll with punches just fine and doesn't seem to need a union steward to protect him. [/QUOTE]
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