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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 992949" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Because a hole is dug doesn't mean one is required to now wallow in it's mud.</p><p></p><p>The problem in debating the words Conservative and Liberal in their modern usage is typically the lack of historical knowledge of the terms by those engaged in the debate. Understanding the historical ideals and actions makes it quickly clear that those who embrace both modern terms with almost religious fervor today know next to nothing of what they are talking about. Now the quick response is always, "but that's what the majority of people think so that's all that matters." History is loaded with examples of the majority being grossly wrong and appeals to majority is not an argument.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=liberal&searchmode=term" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Etymology of Liberal</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=conservative&searchmode=term" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Etymology of Conservative</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=statism&searchmode=term" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Etymology of Statism</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Typically I find both who argue in modern context for either liberal or conservative traditions to always be co-equals when it comes to being adherents to statism. Clarity of historical understanding demonstrates that the outcomes of either side in the modern context will always devolve into statist solutions and that free men will be restrained from natural evolution in learning, knowledge and understanding. Or more important, the very application of all that is discovered. Self evident truth of such suppression is the very lack of societal transparency and the peer pressures on all forms of free speech and expression of ideas or thought but the kneejerk fear that comes when baseless ideas are challenged. </p><p></p><p>It is only men of domination, men of the means of force and aggression who require a curtain to hide behind, who fear light or truth. </p><p></p><p> The very root word for <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=liberty&searchmode=term" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">liberty</span></a> is the Latin word <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liber" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">liber </span></a>which is used for the word book being where knowledge or information is found. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Liber</span></a> is also a Roman god whose name means, "the free one." The same word liber also gave us the word for <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=library&searchmode=term" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">library</span></a>. </p><p></p><p>Maybe it's time we began to open our minds instead of closing them down and yes, in the classical sense, I am a liberal just as many of the great enlightened minds of the 18th and 19th century were when the domination of church and state began to be seriously challenged. Instead of wallowing in the holes of others, pick up the shovel of the autodidact and fill them in.</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 992949, member: 2189"] Because a hole is dug doesn't mean one is required to now wallow in it's mud. The problem in debating the words Conservative and Liberal in their modern usage is typically the lack of historical knowledge of the terms by those engaged in the debate. Understanding the historical ideals and actions makes it quickly clear that those who embrace both modern terms with almost religious fervor today know next to nothing of what they are talking about. Now the quick response is always, "but that's what the majority of people think so that's all that matters." History is loaded with examples of the majority being grossly wrong and appeals to majority is not an argument. [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=liberal&searchmode=term"][COLOR=#ff0000]Etymology of Liberal[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=conservative&searchmode=term"][COLOR=#ff0000]Etymology of Conservative[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=statism&searchmode=term"][COLOR=#ff0000]Etymology of Statism[/COLOR][/URL] Typically I find both who argue in modern context for either liberal or conservative traditions to always be co-equals when it comes to being adherents to statism. Clarity of historical understanding demonstrates that the outcomes of either side in the modern context will always devolve into statist solutions and that free men will be restrained from natural evolution in learning, knowledge and understanding. Or more important, the very application of all that is discovered. Self evident truth of such suppression is the very lack of societal transparency and the peer pressures on all forms of free speech and expression of ideas or thought but the kneejerk fear that comes when baseless ideas are challenged. It is only men of domination, men of the means of force and aggression who require a curtain to hide behind, who fear light or truth. The very root word for [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=liberty&searchmode=term"][COLOR=#ff0000]liberty[/COLOR][/URL] is the Latin word [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liber"][COLOR=#ff0000]liber [/COLOR][/URL]which is used for the word book being where knowledge or information is found. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber"][COLOR=#ff0000]Liber[/COLOR][/URL] is also a Roman god whose name means, "the free one." The same word liber also gave us the word for [URL="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=library&searchmode=term"][COLOR=#ff0000]library[/COLOR][/URL]. Maybe it's time we began to open our minds instead of closing them down and yes, in the classical sense, I am a liberal just as many of the great enlightened minds of the 18th and 19th century were when the domination of church and state began to be seriously challenged. Instead of wallowing in the holes of others, pick up the shovel of the autodidact and fill them in. :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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