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<blockquote data-quote="JonFrum" data-source="post: 204736"><p><strong>Just wondering . . .</strong></p><p></p><p>APWA posters have been saying from day one that they resent being lumped in with all those (heathen) non-UPSers in Freight and elsewhere. They have been especially harsh concerning non-UPS retirees in the Central States region. Then, all of a sudden, UPS buys Overnite Freight and suddenly the APWA embraces these employees as if they are part of the family. I'm trying to understand what changed. The APWA is adamantly opposed to organizing non-UPS groups, but because of a CORPORATE UPS decision, the APWA completely changes its tune and welcomes Overnite employees with open arms. I wonder what would have happened if UPS had bought a different freight company instead. Wouldn't the Overnite people have remained classified as part of the shunned non-UPS masses? Even as part of the family, aren't Overnight employees still our "competition," to a degree? Wasn't part of the arguement that we shouldn't be in the same retirement fund as our competition? </p><p></p><p>I've always wondered, why is it *bad* to see a non-UPSer retire on the decades of contributions his employers contributed to a Teamsters pension fund, but it is *good* if a fellow UPSer retires from that same fund? Both individuals are almost surely strangers to you, so what's the difference? And what about the spouses of retired UPSers? If a non-UPSer is bad because he is . . . well. . . a NON_UPSER, then isn't the UPSers' spouse bad as well? After all, according to that logic, she never set foot in a UPS building, never worked a day in her life for UPS! Shouldn't we resent her, perhaps even more than the retired non-UPSer, who at least did the work and had the contributions made on his behalf? As you can see, this meanspiritedness has a logic that tends to spread if you appply it consistently. Ultimately, you will be resenting even retirees from your own building, especially if you never met them, or didn't like them. </p><p></p><p>I've never charged that the APWA is in anyway controlled by UPS, but it does seem strange that they only want the employees that UPS wants; they want UPS to be the sole contributor to their single-employer pension fund; and, yes, they employ that Tom Coleman guy. Why hire a lawyer who specializes in *decertifying* unions through Decertification Elections, and keeping unions out to begin with, when their stated goal is to *replace* the existing union with another union through a Representation Election? My worry is that Coleman is not rooting for the APWA to suceed, but is hoping they will damage the Teamsters and soften them up for whatever lies in the future. Incidentally, I don't believe the statement that Tom Coleman will be gone the moment the APWA is certified. In the unlikely event that the APWA suceeds, the Teamsters will hit them with a blizard of NLRB protests and charges, and lawsuits as well. Ol' Tom will be employed for many years, I predict.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JonFrum, post: 204736"] [b]Just wondering . . .[/b] APWA posters have been saying from day one that they resent being lumped in with all those (heathen) non-UPSers in Freight and elsewhere. They have been especially harsh concerning non-UPS retirees in the Central States region. Then, all of a sudden, UPS buys Overnite Freight and suddenly the APWA embraces these employees as if they are part of the family. I'm trying to understand what changed. The APWA is adamantly opposed to organizing non-UPS groups, but because of a CORPORATE UPS decision, the APWA completely changes its tune and welcomes Overnite employees with open arms. I wonder what would have happened if UPS had bought a different freight company instead. Wouldn't the Overnite people have remained classified as part of the shunned non-UPS masses? Even as part of the family, aren't Overnight employees still our "competition," to a degree? Wasn't part of the arguement that we shouldn't be in the same retirement fund as our competition? I've always wondered, why is it *bad* to see a non-UPSer retire on the decades of contributions his employers contributed to a Teamsters pension fund, but it is *good* if a fellow UPSer retires from that same fund? Both individuals are almost surely strangers to you, so what's the difference? And what about the spouses of retired UPSers? If a non-UPSer is bad because he is . . . well. . . a NON_UPSER, then isn't the UPSers' spouse bad as well? After all, according to that logic, she never set foot in a UPS building, never worked a day in her life for UPS! Shouldn't we resent her, perhaps even more than the retired non-UPSer, who at least did the work and had the contributions made on his behalf? As you can see, this meanspiritedness has a logic that tends to spread if you appply it consistently. Ultimately, you will be resenting even retirees from your own building, especially if you never met them, or didn't like them. I've never charged that the APWA is in anyway controlled by UPS, but it does seem strange that they only want the employees that UPS wants; they want UPS to be the sole contributor to their single-employer pension fund; and, yes, they employ that Tom Coleman guy. Why hire a lawyer who specializes in *decertifying* unions through Decertification Elections, and keeping unions out to begin with, when their stated goal is to *replace* the existing union with another union through a Representation Election? My worry is that Coleman is not rooting for the APWA to suceed, but is hoping they will damage the Teamsters and soften them up for whatever lies in the future. Incidentally, I don't believe the statement that Tom Coleman will be gone the moment the APWA is certified. In the unlikely event that the APWA suceeds, the Teamsters will hit them with a blizard of NLRB protests and charges, and lawsuits as well. Ol' Tom will be employed for many years, I predict. [/QUOTE]
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