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<blockquote data-quote="gandydancer" data-source="post: 256273" data-attributes="member: 9310"><p>Yes, TDU is anti-Hoffa (*duh*), but except for initially OVERstating the raise Hoffa got for part-timers the info from TDU has been accurate. If you're not in the CS pension plan there's nothing much in this contract besides a sub-inflation general wage increase and givebacks. And, as I understand it, UPS was ALREADY on the hook for most or all or more than $6.1 billion for their CS underfunding obligation when that plan rolled over and sank, so even if I buy the idea that I should sacrifice for my CS brothers, it's not clear exactly how much beneifit we're buying them by taking the short end of this stick. This isn't something you can tell by reading the contract -- it takes economic analysis, which the Hoffa camp isn't giving us access to. Simple basic stuff -- like how MUCH money in total is the company estimated to save by holding back insurance and holidays from new part timers vs how much money in total it is estimated they are going to increase the H&W benefit, inflation adjusted, for the rest of us... If the Teamsters haven't done that analysis, they've been derelict. And if they don't give it to us, they're being duplicitous. And it's precisely because TDU has an axe to grind that they may be willing to help us out on this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gandydancer, post: 256273, member: 9310"] Yes, TDU is anti-Hoffa (*duh*), but except for initially OVERstating the raise Hoffa got for part-timers the info from TDU has been accurate. If you're not in the CS pension plan there's nothing much in this contract besides a sub-inflation general wage increase and givebacks. And, as I understand it, UPS was ALREADY on the hook for most or all or more than $6.1 billion for their CS underfunding obligation when that plan rolled over and sank, so even if I buy the idea that I should sacrifice for my CS brothers, it's not clear exactly how much beneifit we're buying them by taking the short end of this stick. This isn't something you can tell by reading the contract -- it takes economic analysis, which the Hoffa camp isn't giving us access to. Simple basic stuff -- like how MUCH money in total is the company estimated to save by holding back insurance and holidays from new part timers vs how much money in total it is estimated they are going to increase the H&W benefit, inflation adjusted, for the rest of us... If the Teamsters haven't done that analysis, they've been derelict. And if they don't give it to us, they're being duplicitous. And it's precisely because TDU has an axe to grind that they may be willing to help us out on this. [/QUOTE]
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