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<blockquote data-quote="CharleyHustle" data-source="post: 940998" data-attributes="member: 26998"><p>For every UPS driver that's made it to retirement in my barn, I can name 3-4 or more that didn't. Most can't even qualify, a fair portion do something stupid and get fired and bunch just can't take it and quit. This in and of itself doesn't quantify the job as skilled, just that it isn't for everyone. I'm a dumb driver, and not really sure what the "right sized" compensation level should be, but I certainly don't think I should make less and for sure I think after 2013 I'll make at least a little more. I think, and I sure could be wrong But UPS doesn't really mind it that way or they would address it at contract time, last I checked they sign the document also. </p><p></p><p>Almost to a man, everyone about my age with a degree, except in some instances teachers, makes more than I do, some much more, so it's hard for me to understand this part of your argument. While certainly other delivery companies compensate at lower levels I don't think everything is peachy-keen over there. Take a walk over to the FedEx forum here and tell me again why you just don't sign on with them, if they got it so much together as you repeatedly have said. Now, granted I only see a very very small portion of the FedEx world, but from that, I rarely see any of their drivers obeying any law that would lead to certain termination at UPS. Using cell phone, texting, and power pad while driving. Never securing or even shutting off the truck when delivering, not to mention rarely if ever obeying speed limits.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of not following rules, there certainly are few new UPS drivers that can tear it up. Of course I can only speak for my barn, but young drivers here overwhelmingly account for most accidents, injuries, missed pkgs, missdeliveries, customer complaints, warning letters, suspensions and terminations. But they can really go.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CharleyHustle, post: 940998, member: 26998"] For every UPS driver that's made it to retirement in my barn, I can name 3-4 or more that didn't. Most can't even qualify, a fair portion do something stupid and get fired and bunch just can't take it and quit. This in and of itself doesn't quantify the job as skilled, just that it isn't for everyone. I'm a dumb driver, and not really sure what the "right sized" compensation level should be, but I certainly don't think I should make less and for sure I think after 2013 I'll make at least a little more. I think, and I sure could be wrong But UPS doesn't really mind it that way or they would address it at contract time, last I checked they sign the document also. Almost to a man, everyone about my age with a degree, except in some instances teachers, makes more than I do, some much more, so it's hard for me to understand this part of your argument. While certainly other delivery companies compensate at lower levels I don't think everything is peachy-keen over there. Take a walk over to the FedEx forum here and tell me again why you just don't sign on with them, if they got it so much together as you repeatedly have said. Now, granted I only see a very very small portion of the FedEx world, but from that, I rarely see any of their drivers obeying any law that would lead to certain termination at UPS. Using cell phone, texting, and power pad while driving. Never securing or even shutting off the truck when delivering, not to mention rarely if ever obeying speed limits. Speaking of not following rules, there certainly are few new UPS drivers that can tear it up. Of course I can only speak for my barn, but young drivers here overwhelmingly account for most accidents, injuries, missed pkgs, missdeliveries, customer complaints, warning letters, suspensions and terminations. But they can really go. [/QUOTE]
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