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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4394696" data-attributes="member: 56035"><p>the situation in italy. mortgage payments suspended for the banks. thoughts and prayers to the bankers:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143287754108929" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>Replying to</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>2/ First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Aus and don’t make the mistake to think that what is happening is happening in a 3rd world country.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143535989727234" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>3/ The current situation is difficult to imagine and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by Covid-19, they are running 200% capacity</p><p></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143818266390530" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>4/ We’ve stopped all routine, all ORs have been converted to ITUs and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or strokes. There are hundreds of pts with severe resp failure and many of them do not have access to anything above a reservoir mask.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144089855963136" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144317610819585" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>6/ My friends call me in tears because they see people dying in front of them and they con only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on NIV. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144592363008000" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>7/ We have seen the same pattern in different areas a week apart, and there is no reason that in a few weeks it won’t be the same everywhere, this is the pattern:</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144770499272704" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>8/ 1)A few positive cases, first mild measures, people are told to avoid ED but still hang out in groups, everyone says not to panick 2)Some moderate resp failures and a few severe ones that need tube, but regular access to ED is significantly reduced so everything looks great</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144941626785795" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>9/ 3)Tons of patients with moderate resp failure, that overtime deteriorate to saturate ICUs first, then NIVs, then CPAP hoods, then even O2. 4)Staff gets sick so it gets difficult to cover for shifts, mortality spikes also from all other causes that can’t be treated properly.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145115963031552" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>10/ Everything about how to treat them is online but the only things that will make a difference are: do not be afraid of massively strict measures to keep people safe,</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145258254794752" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>11/ if governments won’t do this at least keep your family safe, your loved ones with history of cancer or diabetes or any transplant will not be tubed if they need it even if they are young. By safe I mean YOU do not attend them and YOU decide who does and YOU teach them how to.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145452681875457" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>12/ Another typical attitude is read and listen to people saying things like this and think “that’s bad dude” and then go out for dinner because you think you’ll be safe.</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">Jason Van Schoor</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor" target="_blank">@jasonvanschoor</a></p><p>·</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145544486719490" target="_blank">19h</a></p><p>13/ We have seen it, you won’t be if you don’t take it seriously. I really hope it won’t be as bad as here but prepare.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4394696, member: 56035"] the situation in italy. mortgage payments suspended for the banks. thoughts and prayers to the bankers: [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor']Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143287754108929']19h[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor']@jasonvanschoor[/URL] 2/ First, Lumbardy is the most developed region in Italy and it has a extraordinary good healthcare, I have worked in Italy, UK and Aus and don’t make the mistake to think that what is happening is happening in a 3rd world country. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143535989727234']19h[/URL] 3/ The current situation is difficult to imagine and numbers do not explain things at all. Our hospitals are overwhelmed by Covid-19, they are running 200% capacity [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237143818266390530']19h[/URL] 4/ We’ve stopped all routine, all ORs have been converted to ITUs and they are now diverting or not treating all other emergencies like trauma or strokes. There are hundreds of pts with severe resp failure and many of them do not have access to anything above a reservoir mask. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144089855963136']19h[/URL] 5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144317610819585']19h[/URL] 6/ My friends call me in tears because they see people dying in front of them and they con only offer some oxygen. Ortho and pathologists are being given a leaflet and sent to see patients on NIV. PLEASE STOP, READ THIS AGAIN AND THINK. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144592363008000']19h[/URL] 7/ We have seen the same pattern in different areas a week apart, and there is no reason that in a few weeks it won’t be the same everywhere, this is the pattern: [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144770499272704']19h[/URL] 8/ 1)A few positive cases, first mild measures, people are told to avoid ED but still hang out in groups, everyone says not to panick 2)Some moderate resp failures and a few severe ones that need tube, but regular access to ED is significantly reduced so everything looks great [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237144941626785795']19h[/URL] 9/ 3)Tons of patients with moderate resp failure, that overtime deteriorate to saturate ICUs first, then NIVs, then CPAP hoods, then even O2. 4)Staff gets sick so it gets difficult to cover for shifts, mortality spikes also from all other causes that can’t be treated properly. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145115963031552']19h[/URL] 10/ Everything about how to treat them is online but the only things that will make a difference are: do not be afraid of massively strict measures to keep people safe, [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145258254794752']19h[/URL] 11/ if governments won’t do this at least keep your family safe, your loved ones with history of cancer or diabetes or any transplant will not be tubed if they need it even if they are young. By safe I mean YOU do not attend them and YOU decide who does and YOU teach them how to. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145452681875457']19h[/URL] 12/ Another typical attitude is read and listen to people saying things like this and think “that’s bad dude” and then go out for dinner because you think you’ll be safe. [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor'][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1042371825207058432/jkjgBOPQ_x96.jpg[/IMG] Jason Van Schoor @jasonvanschoor[/URL] · [URL='https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237145544486719490']19h[/URL] 13/ We have seen it, you won’t be if you don’t take it seriously. I really hope it won’t be as bad as here but prepare. [/QUOTE]
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