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<blockquote data-quote="rickyb" data-source="post: 4780455" data-attributes="member: 56035">no we have laws when ppl cant self regulate.&nbsp; i like laws sometimes.&nbsp; yea its hard to imagine theres experts out there, that ppl can be better off with an expert making laws instead of trying to figure it out themselves.&nbsp; their poor decisions become my problem when it starts affecting me.regarding giving power to govt vs individuals, im in favor of proportional representation like they do in EU, not 51% majority rule like you&#039;ve mentioned before.&nbsp; and of course economic democracy.&nbsp; i havent reached a conclusion about what you said: im more in favor of a lively democracy like protests and people coming up with ideas and hten electing someone who will represent them when they cant practice direct democracy.&nbsp; im in also favor of voting holidays, shorter work weeks, affordable housing, anti police brutality, free college, getting rid of citizens united, unions, mostly defunding the war machine, and public banking.&nbsp; these things will all help out democracy.i doubt this website is a conspiracy for stronger govt.&nbsp; govts do like to use excuses to permanently increase their power.&nbsp; if you want to have an effect on anything, you have to do something.&nbsp; we&#039;ve talked about this before, and i am again challenging your theory of &quot;competence&quot;.&nbsp; you seem genuinely concerned, but im not sure how it translates into anything substantial.the measures being taken place in australia look more serious than here, and isnt their unemployment doing better than US?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rickyb, post: 4780455, member: 56035"] no we have laws when ppl cant self regulate. i like laws sometimes. yea its hard to imagine theres experts out there, that ppl can be better off with an expert making laws instead of trying to figure it out themselves. their poor decisions become my problem when it starts affecting me. regarding giving power to govt vs individuals, im in favor of proportional representation like they do in EU, not 51% majority rule like you've mentioned before. and of course economic democracy. i havent reached a conclusion about what you said: im more in favor of a lively democracy like protests and people coming up with ideas and hten electing someone who will represent them when they cant practice direct democracy. im in also favor of voting holidays, shorter work weeks, affordable housing, anti police brutality, free college, getting rid of citizens united, unions, mostly defunding the war machine, and public banking. these things will all help out democracy. i doubt this website is a conspiracy for stronger govt. govts do like to use excuses to permanently increase their power. if you want to have an effect on anything, you have to do something. we've talked about this before, and i am again challenging your theory of "competence". you seem genuinely concerned, but im not sure how it translates into anything substantial. the measures being taken place in australia look more serious than here, and isnt their unemployment doing better than US? [/QUOTE]

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