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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4856825" data-attributes="member: 63706">See, you have it upside down. The government doesn't grant us our rights, it's their job to protect them. What other rights do you think businesses are allowed to violate? The right to move freely? Once we are on their property, that means they can detain us indefinitely and force us to work for them for free. If you think businesses, or any property owners whose properties are open to the public, somehow have power to deprive people of their rights, then you can't defend a position against businesses kidnapping people. Do we have rights, or don't we? You support businesses depriving people the right to defend themselves, but you don't think they should provide the protection they are denying people the ability to provide themselves. Talk about an indefensible position.</blockquote>