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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4874954" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>I didn't say there wasn't, you brought up the first phase trials, which is tangential to the point. We are currently in long term trials. People deny that there is a control group in this phase because that means millions of people are getting a placebo when they think they are getting the real thing. But without a control group, they can't confirm anything about the safety or effectiveness of the vaccines. You can't have it both ways. Either there's a control group in this phase of trials and some percentage of people are getting placebo, or there is no way to determine the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine in order to get FDA approval.</p></blockquote><p></p>