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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4945943" data-attributes="member: 63706">It&#039;s actually not a libertarian point of view. Libertarian&#039;s generally operate under the same misguided and incorrect premise as you, that a business somehow has strange and mystical rights and powers that trump the law and individual rights. I have an American point of view, one where individual liberty is paramount.It&#039;s funny that you feel the need to keep telling me I&#039;m not being forced to get the vaccine. I never made the claim that I was (I reread my last post, and that was meant to be hypothetical in response to the hypothetical, I meant to say &quot;would be&quot;) . I merely point out that employers don&#039;t actually have the right to mandate vaccines, and that&#039;s usually in response to someone, like you, saying they do. So which is it? Do employers have the power to mandate vaccines or not? Just because I&#039;m not being forced to choose between quitting and getting the vaccine now, doesn&#039;t mean it won&#039;t happen unless the courts make some good decisions that reclarify the law that has been clear for decades. Employers like to pretend that laws and case law that they don&#039;t like don&#039;t exist, until someone is forced to slap sense into them with a lawsuit. It&#039;s really quite tiring, dealing with this yo-yo of having to deal with our rights being ignored, until the courts finally shut that down, only to have new rights ignored right away or the same ones ignored a few years down the road. It only happens because people think it&#039;s ok until someone has the balls to stand up to it. Just remember, you shouldn&#039;t confuse your unwillingness to stand up for yourself with the &quot;rules&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4945943, member: 63706"] It's actually not a libertarian point of view. Libertarian's generally operate under the same misguided and incorrect premise as you, that a business somehow has strange and mystical rights and powers that trump the law and individual rights. I have an American point of view, one where individual liberty is paramount. It's funny that you feel the need to keep telling me I'm not being forced to get the vaccine. I never made the claim that I was (I reread my last post, and that was meant to be hypothetical in response to the hypothetical, I meant to say "would be") . I merely point out that employers don't actually have the right to mandate vaccines, and that's usually in response to someone, like you, saying they do. So which is it? Do employers have the power to mandate vaccines or not? Just because I'm not being forced to choose between quitting and getting the vaccine now, doesn't mean it won't happen unless the courts make some good decisions that reclarify the law that has been clear for decades. Employers like to pretend that laws and case law that they don't like don't exist, until someone is forced to slap sense into them with a lawsuit. It's really quite tiring, dealing with this yo-yo of having to deal with our rights being ignored, until the courts finally shut that down, only to have new rights ignored right away or the same ones ignored a few years down the road. It only happens because people think it's ok until someone has the balls to stand up to it. Just remember, you shouldn't confuse your unwillingness to stand up for yourself with the "rules". [/QUOTE]

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