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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4984916" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>From what I understand is that claims that unvaccinated dying in higher numbers is based on data that included time periods where the vaccine was not widely available. The current numbers in the US are anyone's guess (and for various reasons I would argue they always have been). But based on places where numbers aren't clearly being played around with to suit a narrative, the vaccine, whatever efficacy it has to start, wanes qiickly, and if you go that route you are looking at boosters as often as every 5 months, and we have almost zero data about safety issues after more than two shots. The fact that the protection wanes, plus the fact that they don't prevent infection or spread, puts these shots into the category of a prophylactic/therapeutic, rather than a vaccine.</p><p></p><p>The unvaccinated people dying now are the same ones who have always been at higher risk, and people in that condition often are unable to safely get the vaccine. The tide is starting to turn in the estaishment circles regarding other therapeutics, as they are more successful and safer for those who are already at high risk from covid. </p><p></p><p>When you break it down by demographics, the ones doing the best with the vaccine also happen to be in groups with the lowest overall risk from covid, and are actually doing worse compared to unvaccinated in the same groups. When you adjust for risk factors, the vaccine actually seems to have a negative efficacy rate. </p><p></p><p>As for your trusted friend, do they work in a covid unit? Or are they repeating the official information from the hospital? Are they seeing more previously low risk unvaccinated people in the hospital/dying from covid? Are patients there for other issues and being counted as covid? Are they still intubating actual covid patients? There are a lot of factors to sort through, and the politimedia is really good at smoothing over nuance and making overly simplistic proclamations to fit the narrative they are supporting. Hospitals, unfortunately, also have a financial incentive to report in a way that promotes the politimedia's narrative. </p><p></p><p>I can tell you, we have several hospitals laying off nurses and cutting hours because patients are being routed to larger, also understaffed hospitals, in order to give some credibility to the idea that the hospitals are being overrun.</p><p></p><p>Take any or all of that as you will, or not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4984916, member: 63706"] From what I understand is that claims that unvaccinated dying in higher numbers is based on data that included time periods where the vaccine was not widely available. The current numbers in the US are anyone's guess (and for various reasons I would argue they always have been). But based on places where numbers aren't clearly being played around with to suit a narrative, the vaccine, whatever efficacy it has to start, wanes qiickly, and if you go that route you are looking at boosters as often as every 5 months, and we have almost zero data about safety issues after more than two shots. The fact that the protection wanes, plus the fact that they don't prevent infection or spread, puts these shots into the category of a prophylactic/therapeutic, rather than a vaccine. The unvaccinated people dying now are the same ones who have always been at higher risk, and people in that condition often are unable to safely get the vaccine. The tide is starting to turn in the estaishment circles regarding other therapeutics, as they are more successful and safer for those who are already at high risk from covid. When you break it down by demographics, the ones doing the best with the vaccine also happen to be in groups with the lowest overall risk from covid, and are actually doing worse compared to unvaccinated in the same groups. When you adjust for risk factors, the vaccine actually seems to have a negative efficacy rate. As for your trusted friend, do they work in a covid unit? Or are they repeating the official information from the hospital? Are they seeing more previously low risk unvaccinated people in the hospital/dying from covid? Are patients there for other issues and being counted as covid? Are they still intubating actual covid patients? There are a lot of factors to sort through, and the politimedia is really good at smoothing over nuance and making overly simplistic proclamations to fit the narrative they are supporting. Hospitals, unfortunately, also have a financial incentive to report in a way that promotes the politimedia's narrative. I can tell you, we have several hospitals laying off nurses and cutting hours because patients are being routed to larger, also understaffed hospitals, in order to give some credibility to the idea that the hospitals are being overrun. Take any or all of that as you will, or not. [/QUOTE]
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