Crash landing - 2019

jeepguy63

Well-Known Member
Read through the 10k and the proxy statement. (UPS.com - then investor relations - then financials)

The senior leadership, CEO, COO, CFO, Mr Walmart, and Mr Xerox all being patted on the back for a wonderful job by the compensation committee of the board of directors.
See page 35 of the proxy. Their annual evaluation is posted there.
On the same page is their target MIP - Their annual base pay, times their individual mip target equals target. It shows that all of them except the CFO received above the 110% mip factor! CEO received $657k more than target - or 32% above - similar to the other “named” executives except the CFO.

The board should be voted out, the mgmt committee should all be fired. Given the 10:1 vote, Iit cannot and will not ever happen. This company is uninvestable. The CFO got the same MIP as the rest of management - an indication they aren’t happy with him! He should be fired!

Page 22 of the 10k shows that domestic revenue has grown from $35.9B in 2014 to $43.6B in 2018 - while operating profit has declined from $4.2B in 2014 to $3.6B in 2018.

Leadership and the Board must think hiring Mr Walmart and Mr Xerox will make a difference- their employment offer letters showing the multi-million dollar payments to start are in the 10K. Mr Xerox spent +30 years with Xerox as a marketing genius- anyone remember one catchy marketing campaign from them? Anyone have Xerox stock because of their excellent returns? WTF?
Look back in five years and see if Walmart’s performance for 2012-2017 or 2018-2023 is better. Were they better off with him or without. Similarly- watch UPS 2018-2013 for the same - will the stock price have a transformational change?

P32 of the Proxy shows the company’s UPS compares itself to for senior mgmt’s stock options. If Walmart and Xerox are a pool of great talent- why aren’t they in the list? Why not hire someone from Target or Fedex?

Page 21 shows the stock price underperformance vs the S&P 500 and the transportation sector. UPS under performed both from 2013-2108. Investors know!

This company is in the ditch, and is digging deeper. It will flip into the lake! Upside down and all inhabitants will likely drown under the current leadership.

Read through the last three investor presentations - fall 2018, spring 2014, and 2011. Promises, promises, promises. No delivery.

The future business case studies on this once great company will be titled “Brown up to their eyeballs”.

Sad.

My boss reviewed my ownership incentive and made the pitch of how much stock I should own. I pointed out that I have invested my retirement savings elsewhere- funded by many years of mip, and am doing quite well.
I pointed out to him how little stock the new president of us domestic has vs the other mgmt committee members. He is 53 with just over 4K shares. If he is invested elsewhere vs the other MC members - he may be the smartest one of the bunch!
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
Read through the 10k and the proxy statement. (UPS.com - then investor relations - then financials)

The senior leadership, CEO, COO, CFO, Mr Walmart, and Mr Xerox all being patted on the back for a wonderful job by the compensation committee of the board of directors.
See page 35 of the proxy. Their annual evaluation is posted there.
On the same page is their target MIP - Their annual base pay, times their individual mip target equals target. It shows that all of them except the CFO received above the 110% mip factor! CEO received $657k more than target - or 32% above - similar to the other “named” executives except the CFO.

The board should be voted out, the mgmt committee should all be fired. Given the 10:1 vote, Iit cannot and will not ever happen. This company is uninvestable. The CFO got the same MIP as the rest of management - an indication they aren’t happy with him! He should be fired!

Page 22 of the 10k shows that domestic revenue has grown from $35.9B in 2014 to $43.6B in 2018 - while operating profit has declined from $4.2B in 2014 to $3.6B in 2018.

Leadership and the Board must think hiring Mr Walmart and Mr Xerox will make a difference- their employment offer letters showing the multi-million dollar payments to start are in the 10K. Mr Xerox spent +30 years with Xerox as a marketing genius- anyone remember one catchy marketing campaign from them? Anyone have Xerox stock because of their excellent returns? WTF?
Look back in five years and see if Walmart’s performance for 2012-2017 or 2018-2023 is better. Were they better off with him or without. Similarly- watch UPS 2018-2013 for the same - will the stock price have a transformational change?

P32 of the Proxy shows the company’s UPS compares itself to for senior mgmt’s stock options. If Walmart and Xerox are a pool of great talent- why aren’t they in the list? Why not hire someone from Target or Fedex?

Page 21 shows the stock price underperformance vs the S&P 500 and the transportation sector. UPS under performed both from 2013-2108. Investors know!

This company is in the ditch, and is digging deeper. It will flip into the lake! Upside down and all inhabitants will likely drown under the current leadership.

Read through the last three investor presentations - fall 2018, spring 2014, and 2011. Promises, promises, promises. No delivery.

The future business case studies on this once great company will be titled “Brown up to their eyeballs”.

Sad.

My boss reviewed my ownership incentive and made the pitch of how much stock I should own. I pointed out that I have invested my retirement savings elsewhere- funded by many years of mip, and am doing quite well.
I pointed out to him how little stock the new president of us domestic has vs the other mgmt committee members. He is 53 with just over 4K shares. If he is invested elsewhere vs the other MC members - he may be the smartest one of the bunch!
Well Jeep,
It looks like you have gone off-road.
 

Dragon

Package Center Manager
Read through the 10k and the proxy statement. (UPS.com - then investor relations - then financials)

The senior leadership, CEO, COO, CFO, Mr Walmart, and Mr Xerox all being patted on the back for a wonderful job by the compensation committee of the board of directors.
See page 35 of the proxy. Their annual evaluation is posted there.
On the same page is their target MIP - Their annual base pay, times their individual mip target equals target. It shows that all of them except the CFO received above the 110% mip factor! CEO received $657k more than target - or 32% above - similar to the other “named” executives except the CFO.

The board should be voted out, the mgmt committee should all be fired. Given the 10:1 vote, Iit cannot and will not ever happen. This company is uninvestable. The CFO got the same MIP as the rest of management - an indication they aren’t happy with him! He should be fired!

Page 22 of the 10k shows that domestic revenue has grown from $35.9B in 2014 to $43.6B in 2018 - while operating profit has declined from $4.2B in 2014 to $3.6B in 2018.

Leadership and the Board must think hiring Mr Walmart and Mr Xerox will make a difference- their employment offer letters showing the multi-million dollar payments to start are in the 10K. Mr Xerox spent +30 years with Xerox as a marketing genius- anyone remember one catchy marketing campaign from them? Anyone have Xerox stock because of their excellent returns? WTF?
Look back in five years and see if Walmart’s performance for 2012-2017 or 2018-2023 is better. Were they better off with him or without. Similarly- watch UPS 2018-2013 for the same - will the stock price have a transformational change?

P32 of the Proxy shows the company’s UPS compares itself to for senior mgmt’s stock options. If Walmart and Xerox are a pool of great talent- why aren’t they in the list? Why not hire someone from Target or Fedex?

Page 21 shows the stock price underperformance vs the S&P 500 and the transportation sector. UPS under performed both from 2013-2108. Investors know!

This company is in the ditch, and is digging deeper. It will flip into the lake! Upside down and all inhabitants will likely drown under the current leadership.

Read through the last three investor presentations - fall 2018, spring 2014, and 2011. Promises, promises, promises. No delivery.

The future business case studies on this once great company will be titled “Brown up to their eyeballs”.

Sad.

My boss reviewed my ownership incentive and made the pitch of how much stock I should own. I pointed out that I have invested my retirement savings elsewhere- funded by many years of mip, and am doing quite well.
I pointed out to him how little stock the new president of us domestic has vs the other mgmt committee members. He is 53 with just over 4K shares. If he is invested elsewhere vs the other MC members - he may be the smartest one of the bunch!


I cannot wait to see the raises offered this year...another exciting transformation coming in the near future.
 

Popeye

Well-Known Member
My boss reviewed my ownership incentive and made the pitch of how much stock I should own. I pointed out that I have invested my retirement savings elsewhere- funded by many years of mip, and am doing quite well.
I pointed out to him how little stock the new president of us domestic has vs the other mgmt committee members. He is 53 with just over 4K shares. If he is invested elsewhere vs the other MC members - he may be the smartest one of the bunch!

LOL! Been there, done that. I systematically sold off my UPS stock beginning shortly after the IPO. When our dept manager (aka "his lordship" LOL!) counseled me about this I told him my reasons, including the introduction of market risk that hadn't been present before. I talked about a scenario where the company does poorly, the stock price sinks, layoffs result and the people laid off have to sell at a depressed price to live on. This scenario was so far removed from his little universe revolving around him that all he could do was look at me like a deer in the headlights. He didn't say a word, because he didn't understand anything I was talking about. Now, here we are!
 

jeepguy63

Well-Known Member
LOL! Been there, done that. I systematically sold off my UPS stock beginning shortly after the IPO. When our dept manager (aka "his lordship" LOL!) counseled me about this I told him my reasons, including the introduction of market risk that hadn't been present before. I talked about a scenario where the company does poorly, the stock price sinks, layoffs result and the people laid off have to sell at a depressed price to live on. This scenario was so far removed from his little universe revolving around him that all he could do was look at me like a deer in the headlights. He didn't say a word, because he didn't understand anything I was talking about. Now, here we are!
Yup. Me too. Bought apple in the early 2000’s at 70-80. Went to 700, split 7:1 and is now in the 180 range. Could give example after example - including a couple losses.
Stock price in early 2000 post Ipoh was in the high 60’s. Today it’s 110ish. Damn near 20 years and can’t even get a double to stick. Based on 1980’s and 90’s growth, change and results, a 4:1 and a 2:1 split plus tremendous growth.
At a 15 forward looking PE, UPS has to get to 10 earnings per share to get to $150 stock price. Can’t happen under the current model and strategy.

Just a job. Pay me. Hopefully I can lock in a retirement in two years before they tap the pension dollars.
 

Returntosender

Well-Known Member
what the hell is this
. What type dress shoes for district level meetings to buy with all bonus money
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Coldworld

60 months and counting
I cannot wait to see the raises offered this year...another exciting transformation coming in the near future.
Don’t be jelly of Mr. Walmart....once he wacks your job and many of your “partners”, word on the street is you will have a job lined up for you.... part of the transformation job relocation program.....
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jeepguy63

Well-Known Member
Bump. One year later, same story. Stock price at the moment, 109.88. Based on the q4 results just meeting consensus (down to the penny!) MIP is doomed! This company needs massive structural changes to survive. Rev per piece down YOY, salaries up. Unless ups can eliminate massive quantities of hours quickly, it is doomed!
Mgmt will likely be rewarded with MIP factor in the 40-60 range. Congratulations!
 

Dragon

Package Center Manager
Bump. One year later, same story. Stock price at the moment, 109.88. Based on the q4 results just meeting consensus (down to the penny!) MIP is doomed! This company needs massive structural changes to survive. Rev per piece down YOY, salaries up. Unless ups can eliminate massive quantities of hours quickly, it is doomed!
Mgmt will likely be rewarded with MIP factor in the 40-60 range. Congratulations!

So what is the answer?
 

rod

Retired 22 years
Don’t be jelly of Mr. Walmart....once he wacks your job and many of your “partners”, word on the street is you will have a job lined up for you.... part of the transformation job relocation program.....View attachment 241243View attachment 241244View attachment 241245
Can't even do that anymore. The last I read Walmart was phasing out their "greeters" program. Aparently they weren't doing all that good of job keeping the getto thugs and trailer park trash from running out the door with stolen flat screen tvs.
 

Whither

Scofflaw
Bump. One year later, same story. Stock price at the moment, 109.88. Based on the q4 results just meeting consensus (down to the penny!) MIP is doomed! This company needs massive structural changes to survive. Rev per piece down YOY, salaries up. Unless ups can eliminate massive quantities of hours quickly, it is doomed!
Mgmt will likely be rewarded with MIP factor in the 40-60 range. Congratulations!

Between the lines I hear this guy screaming "SLASH WAGES, CRACK THE PRODUCTIVITY WHIP!"
 

jeepguy63

Well-Known Member
Read through the 10k and the proxy statement. (UPS.com - then investor relations - then financials)

The senior leadership, CEO, COO, CFO, Mr Walmart, and Mr Xerox all being patted on the back for a wonderful job by the compensation committee of the board of directors.
See page 35 of the proxy. Their annual evaluation is posted there.
On the same page is their target MIP - Their annual base pay, times their individual mip target equals target. It shows that all of them except the CFO received above the 110% mip factor! CEO received $657k more than target - or 32% above - similar to the other “named” executives except the CFO.

The board should be voted out, the mgmt committee should all be fired. Given the 10:1 vote, Iit cannot and will not ever happen. This company is uninvestable. The CFO got the same MIP as the rest of management - an indication they aren’t happy with him! He should be fired!

Page 22 of the 10k shows that domestic revenue has grown from $35.9B in 2014 to $43.6B in 2018 - while operating profit has declined from $4.2B in 2014 to $3.6B in 2018.

Leadership and the Board must think hiring Mr Walmart and Mr Xerox will make a difference- their employment offer letters showing the multi-million dollar payments to start are in the 10K. Mr Xerox spent +30 years with Xerox as a marketing genius- anyone remember one catchy marketing campaign from them? Anyone have Xerox stock because of their excellent returns? WTF?
Look back in five years and see if Walmart’s performance for 2012-2017 or 2018-2023 is better. Were they better off with him or without. Similarly- watch UPS 2018-2013 for the same - will the stock price have a transformational change?

P32 of the Proxy shows the company’s UPS compares itself to for senior mgmt’s stock options. If Walmart and Xerox are a pool of great talent- why aren’t they in the list? Why not hire someone from Target or Fedex?

Page 21 shows the stock price underperformance vs the S&P 500 and the transportation sector. UPS under performed both from 2013-2108. Investors know!

This company is in the ditch, and is digging deeper. It will flip into the lake! Upside down and all inhabitants will likely drown under the current leadership.

Read through the last three investor presentations - fall 2018, spring 2014, and 2011. Promises, promises, promises. No delivery.

The future business case studies on this once great company will be titled “Brown up to their eyeballs”.

Sad.

My boss reviewed my ownership incentive and made the pitch of how much stock I should own. I pointed out that I have invested my retirement savings elsewhere- funded by many years of mip, and am doing quite well.
I pointed out to him how little stock the new president of us domestic has vs the other mgmt committee members. He is 53 with just over 4K shares. If he is invested elsewhere vs the other MC members - he may be the smartest one of the bunch!
 

jeepguy63

Well-Known Member
Q1 2020 will be interesting. New CFO, Existing CEO who is on his way out. I suspect the results will be muted, with all the conversation on all the great things UPS is doing to assist with the Covid19 epidemic.
Q2 will be like swimming naked when the tide goes out. With most small business closed down and a very high majority of the volume coming from a few, very large customers, it will become evident how much profit UPS makes or doesn’t make on large customers.
The original post here showed the growth in revenue vs the lack of growth in profit. With 2019 10k now out, and the disclosure of the >10% of revenue of Amazon, there can be no denying the lack of profitability of Amazon. If >30% of the domestic volume in Q2 is Amazon - the profit numbers will be a disaster. We though 40% MIP was bad..... “you ain’t seen nothing yet!”

New CEO will have her own crisis on day 1. She won’t be able to blame the prior regime - as she has been on the board since 2003!
 
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