demonstration

[toonertoo]

You are sooooo tiny, compared to the big stake holders ! You just don't get it !
Do you have enough shares yet, to sit on the board ? Otherwise keep quiet !

Do you have enough shares to sit on the board. I think U should keep quiet, no dont, we need fodder. You are sounding as dumb as them. Cain is not the one who sounds dumb, nor is moreluck nor am I. Its the greasy headed, without bathing, yelling occupy wall street, when they are a bunch of nobody, spoiled little rich college kids that have no clue how to succed is the usa. Whambulance please, and go ahead and take a starbucks break, maybe they will run out of breath when it gets tough, like 28 degrees.

 

[toonertoo]

The kid makes some good points but then goes off with the "gold standard" blather.

Must have missed it. he does not sound smart.

 

[klein]

Who are the first ones to sell or buy shares ?
Not you !

The board people, that excactly know what the future holds, and once one of those board members cash out a few million worth of stocks, well guess what ? The banks know - and they follow suit.

Who gets left to ride the ride ? YOU ! (and many other little people).

That's why that young guy on the video from wkmac has some good talking points.

If you don't see it, you are blind !

 

[Babagounj]

Hey, klein you're missing a GOLDEN opportunity here.
Just set up your cart and sell vegan dogs, the crowd will make you rich.
No license required, because you'll run out of products before city inspectors will notice you there.

 

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Although this is a poorly organized protest with no defined leaders, some of them have good points. From the way I am seeing this the main point is about class warfare. Wall street is just a symbol.

Now their "demands" seem a little ridiculous, but I hadn't seen that until now.

I was looking at a web site with stories about the "99%." The 99% being the percantage of americans that make up the working poor and that is where I am getting the basis for my opinion.

Admitt it or not the middle class is dissapearing. The "class divide" is getting larger everyday due to corporate greed. Did our own CEO need 7.8 million in bonus? Who in the hell NEEDS that much money? They spend all day looking for was to cut back to grow the profits and therefore stock prices rather than trying to grow the bussiness. Yes, we are stock holders so the stock price is important but it should NOT be a sole motivator. Companies that fail to grow fail. He is set for life with the money he has already made in his short time as CEO. If this company goes under tomorrow WE are the ones that are screwed. All the while our part timers, the back bone of this company, have not had a raise in base pay since 1978! This scenario plays out in every major corporation all over the country. More money for me and my MBA friends all on the backs of the working poor! I am glad some people are standing up even if they are poorly organized and under informed.

If you miss things the way they were then tax a millionaire, buy american, and support a union!

 

[Babagounj]

Now these crowds are made up of 99% white recent college grads, who can not find a real job { thanks bhos } and are already heavily in debt to pay for their college loans, yet they blame Wall Street for their misfortunes.
The reason most companies are sitting on their available cash is because they honestly don't know where bhos and his policies are heading. Why invest capital { $$$ } in hiring more people if say the very next day bhos decides to again alter the playing rules.

 

[Babagounj]

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Although you're intent is honest, supporting a union that is also if not more greedy than any corp. is still a bad idea.
How many union members are guaranteed full health benefits for life, along with their families, for doing as little work as being a consultant ?
Why do Union presidents need to be paid as much as some CEO ?

 

[klein]

Now these crowds are made up of 99% white recent college grads, who can not find a real job { thanks bhos } and are already heavily in debt to pay for their college loans, yet they blame Wall Street for their misfortunes.
The reason most companies are sitting on their available cash is because they honestly don't know where bhos and his policies are heading. Why invest capital { $$$ } in hiring more people if say the very next day bhos decides to again alter the playing rules.

Don't forget, probably made up at those handful of people that would like healthcare. In NY alone, should be atleast 1 of them.

 

[Babagounj]

Don't forget, probably made up at those handful of people that would like healthcare. In NY alone, should be atleast 1 of them.

gibberish

 

[wkmac]

Although this is a poorly organized protest with no defined leaders, some of them have good points. From the way I am seeing this the main point is about class warfare. Wall street is just a symbol.

Now their "demands" seem a little ridiculous, but I hadn't seen that until now.

I was looking at a web site with stories about the "99%." The 99% being the percantage of americans that make up the working poor and that is where I am getting the basis for my opinion.

Admitt it or not the middle class is dissapearing. The "class divide" is getting larger everyday due to corporate greed. Did our own CEO need 7.8 million in bonus? Who in the hell NEEDS that much money? They spend all day looking for was to cut back to grow the profits and therefore stock prices rather than trying to grow the bussiness. Yes, we are stock holders so the stock price is important but it should NOT be a sole motivator. Companies that fail to grow fail. He is set for life with the money he has already made in his short time as CEO. If this company goes under tomorrow WE are the ones that are screwed. All the while our part timers, the back bone of this company, have not had a raise in base pay since 1978! This scenario plays out in every major corporation all over the country. More money for me and my MBA friends all on the backs of the working poor! I am glad some people are standing up even if they are poorly organized and under informed.

If you miss things the way they were then tax a millionaire, buy american, and support a union!

The benefit of a leaderless movement is that you can't cut off the head and kill the movement. A leaderless movement also means you can have multiple manifestos, multiple demands, multiple ideals, multiple points of attack, multiple strategies and in fact if you take the time to look and know where to look, there are in fact just that. The original Tea Party started out very much in the same fashion as a leaderless cause but then it became hijacked and astro-turfed and the concern now is that it could happen to OWS by operatives of the opposing political mythology. A former tea party operative has even drafted an open letter to that effect warning the OWS movement of such potential.

As to the Brooklyn Bridge protests and mass arrests, well there's always another POV to consider if you are willing to consider it. As for the unions coming in, the days of real unionism of the likes of the Knights of Labor and the Wobblies are long gone and today's unions are nothing but hollow shells controlled by leeches who are nothing more than puppets of the political structure and the corp. oligarchs.

If Anonymous hacks in Wall Street, this thing could get real interesting. This whole system might come down just as much as it's pulled down!

Oct. 10th may be an interesting day to watch. We'll see I guess.

 

[Babagounj]

Any hacking into the financial system will only hurt EVERYONE in the entire world.
All transactions will be put on hold, causing massive unemployment worldwide.
So by hurting everyone , you expect the 1% ( wealthy ) will fall. Think again.
You'll be hurting the elderly who wouldn't be getting their dividend checks anymore, nor their medicines.
The fuels everyone uses ( cars, trucks, airplanes, ships , fishing boats, home heating fuels ) could stop flowing, thus bringing a complete stop to the economy.
No fuels = no foods .
Riots will be come common place.
The many well equipped gangs will become the new warlords in many neighborhoods.

 

[moreluck]

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." (T.J.)

 

[moreluck]

 

[moreluck]

NYT’s Gail Collins:
Tea Party a “Crazed Right-Wing Upheaval” While Wall Street Occupiers a “Cry Of Pain From a Generation That’s Been Cheated”…

 

[moreluck]

Tea party has 3 things the demonstrators don't: Jobs, showers and a point!!!

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2011/10/05/this_is_what_a_mob_looks_like/page/full/

 

[moreluck]

Stupidest protest!!

http://townhall.com/columnists/brianmcnicoll/2011/10/05/stupidest_protest_ever/page/full/

 

[The Other Side]

The original Tea Party started out very much in the same fashion as a leaderless cause but then it became hijacked and astro-turfed and the concern now is that it could happen to OWS by operatives of the opposing political mythology.

WKMC

WK,

I differ with you on the creation of the Tea Party, but first, let me ask if you are talking about the Original Tea Party folks back in the day, or these Tea Party drones who show up at rallies:

If these are the people who you are calling the Tea Party that is leaderless, then you are mistaken.

The Current Tea Party was created by top end republican operatives ( Koch brothers, Sal Russo and the like) and presented an appearance of grassroots. It started as a scam and grew to an organized top dollar corporation.

Look at the California Tea Party Express. Its a corporation, not a grass roots operation. Sure, afterwards, smaller Tea party groups started to spring up out of nowhere, but the base of the group is still controlled or as you put it "hijacked" by the republican political machine.

Tea Party express
Howard Kaloogian and Sal Russo.

What about FREEDOMWORKS?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FreedomWorks

Another corporation run by former republican politicians and funded by the tobacco industry and the Kock Brothers.

There is BIG MONEY involved in the creation of an astroturf group called the TEA PARTY, and the intention was to get smaller groups to form to HIDE the actual people who are funding and controlling the Tea Party.

This is where I differ from you. It was never an astro turf group, but instead, a scam on the right wing supporters to believe they were a part of something different.

The same billioniare and millionaires are behind the Tea Party movement, and those that want to be a part of it have NO IDEA. FREEDOM WORKS for example, has splinter tea party groups running around the country, and yet, the tobacco industry funds them and they then OPPOSE TOBACCO TAXES in capitol Hill.

The real puppets are the people in the stupid hats, they have no idea they are the victims of the greatest scam in the political world.

Peace.

 

[moreluck]

I saw the bird in the top picture with all the oil on it...............was that the bird that stayed that way for 90 days waiting for Obama to respond to the oil spill in the Gulf ???

 

[wkmac]

TOS,
You and Moreluck really are cut from the same mold although I'm sure you'd both argue with me on that point. Neither of you have the ability to look beyond the fictions of the state painted for you under your scripted construct. The both of you remind me of what William Anderson was talking about when he said,

"Political elections do not choose leaders of society. Rather, they are an exercise in which groups of people choose individuals who will assist them in looting other groups of individuals."
William Anderson

Moreluck and yourself are nothing more than a couple of robbers, thieves of the worse sort because unlike an honest thief who faces you on himself, you both go to the voting booth and hire it done. The sad thing is neither of you are able to look beyond your own enslaving political and social constructs which if you could you'd see the ideas of freedom and liberty not only from the grass root areas of the tea party but also many good folks on the left and yes some who even call themselves socialist but who disavow the state and even embrace the idea of freed markets. A concept that neither you nor Moreluck are capable of grasping because between your narrow thinking, you have no capacity to set aside self imposed fear and actually talk with some of these people. You are incapable of embracing a society in which you live and function around people of different and very diverse opinions and ideas and yet have a society where that diversity of opinions and ideas are welcomed and cherished in a freed market of voluntary means of human action. Fear truly is the mind killer and the 2 of you are living proof of it. From my POV, you speak often of the so-called C-8 but I see a C-9. Welcome to your own nightmare!

As for the tea party, yeah the tea party I'm speaking of is the one that began to emerge in 2007' and it's the one Jon Stewart spoke of when he was discussing a certain someone who "planted that grass." It grew to the point that on the same week and in the same town as the 2008's Republican convention, it filled a large sports arena and over the last 4 years has made the idea of auditing the Fed or even ending the Fed a topic worthy of discussion in polite company. It's also made the discussion of war and the negative effects of our foreign policy an item of discussion when such topic was off limits. And the idea that the constitution might actually limit the abuse and over reach of gov't not only for folk on the political right but also the political left is now in vogue whereas 4 years ago seemed impossible.

As for the Koch Bros. you clowns are so late to that party it's not even funny. The late libertarian thinking Samuel Konkin who authored the New Libertarian Manifesto as well as created the Agorist theory came up with the name Kochtopus after the Koch's kicked the late Murray Rothbard out of the Cato Institute which was an organization created mainly for him to develop his ideas and thinking within the Rothbardian ideal. David Gordon of the Mises Institute in 2008' wrote of that history here.

You are so wrapped up in the talking points of the neo-liberal statists and yet you squeal like a 8itch at everyone else. You couldn't think outside the statist box if someone even cut off all 6 sides for you. Go ahead and stay in the box with your neo-con partners because it makes it easier one day to have all of you in a fixed location where we can douse you down with gasoline and burn your collapsing statism out of our existence!

Trust me when I say, Expect Us!



And live and direct out of the Occupy WallStreet protesters just a meer minute ago.

Hokus___Pokus @janpowers #ows has now become #OccupyTheFED #EndTheFED #anonops #RonPaul

Thanks to AnonOps Comm for these live feeds out from OWS.

 

[moreluck]

there's no such thing as an honest thief...........................once a thief, dishonest is your middle name.

Brilliance is not "circular talk".

We get enough flowery talk from our so-called leader.

I like 'plain ' talk and that's one of the reasons I like Cain. I do vote because it's the only way to have any real input instead of just posting on an internet site and complaining.

TOS (tons of solar) is her own person and nobody is like her.