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<blockquote data-quote="pickup" data-source="post: 553420">Danny , first of all, I posed those questions to tieguy because he firmly believes he was fired. So I wanted to see if he truly believes he is fired by the way he answered those questions. I accepted your earlier answer and I was okay with it. Now about the representation. I believe the driver has to request the representation or if not wait for later but according to the different versions of this story, that wasn&#039;t the case. He didn&#039;t request it , he accepted the supervisor&#039;s firing him. It&#039;s like the right to be silent&nbsp; that is emphasized in the miranda warning when a person gets arrested. He can choose to waive it by babbling, and it will stick in the courtroomIn terms of the disrobing, I think this is adding an emotional cloud to the whole issue here. How about we add a different element in place of that one? Suppose instead of disrobing, he just took off the shirt and hat so that the word ups could no longer be seen(still has a t shirt on&nbsp; and walked right out of the truck and into the local convenience store and bought a beer , went outside and drank the beer in the view of the supervisor. Is he drinking on duty? No. While he might be breaking san fran&#039;s drinking in public laws , that is not&nbsp; the business of ups or the sup or anything that needs to be considered by an arbitrator in a future hearing of this case. Just my two cents and it aint worth a lotAs for causing a scene, oh yeah, I agree . but technically got fired&nbsp; and I think in a lot of states, you can collect unemployment even if you got fired for insubordination. California is probably the most&nbsp; employee friendly state when it comes to legislation. the guy is probably collecting unemployment now and is taking a vacation. if it does come to arbitration and he wins, I think he would work one more day and then retire. If he loses then he collects his pension. As for paying the price as you stated I think he waited until the day when the price of this stunt got marked down to zero.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pickup, post: 553420"] Danny , first of all, I posed those questions to tieguy because he firmly believes he was fired. So I wanted to see if he truly believes he is fired by the way he answered those questions. I accepted your earlier answer and I was okay with it. Now about the representation. I believe the driver has to request the representation or if not wait for later but according to the different versions of this story, that wasn't the case. He didn't request it , he accepted the supervisor's firing him. It's like the right to be silent that is emphasized in the miranda warning when a person gets arrested. He can choose to waive it by babbling, and it will stick in the courtroom In terms of the disrobing, I think this is adding an emotional cloud to the whole issue here. How about we add a different element in place of that one? Suppose instead of disrobing, he just took off the shirt and hat so that the word ups could no longer be seen(still has a t shirt on and walked right out of the truck and into the local convenience store and bought a beer , went outside and drank the beer in the view of the supervisor. Is he drinking on duty? No. While he might be breaking san fran's drinking in public laws , that is not the business of ups or the sup or anything that needs to be considered by an arbitrator in a future hearing of this case. Just my two cents and it aint worth a lot As for causing a scene, oh yeah, I agree . but technically got fired and I think in a lot of states, you can collect unemployment even if you got fired for insubordination. California is probably the most employee friendly state when it comes to legislation. the guy is probably collecting unemployment now and is taking a vacation. if it does come to arbitration and he wins, I think he would work one more day and then retire. If he loses then he collects his pension. As for paying the price as you stated I think he waited until the day when the price of this stunt got marked down to zero. [/QUOTE]

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