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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 804205" data-attributes="member: 2189">Sounds a bit Freudian actually.&nbsp;&nbsp;Freedom and liberty can only move forward if the people choose a moral and ethical approach to life itself. And it does start with yourself first and foremost. When the people abandon morals and ethics, tyranny and centralization of control come into play. A central state is obvious proof of moral and ethical behaviour having been abandoned and as the state grows, man&#039;s decline from morality and ethics speeds up. Man tolerates force and violence on others to get his own way and it&#039;s much easier to shed the responsibility to others, especially when they have the power of the gun, rather than taking responsibility upon yourself and figuring out how to live and work with other people yourself. Better to just have the state agent point the gun and tell them for you.&nbsp;There is some truth to the idea that true freedom is an illusion, in fact a lot of truth and that man hasn&#039;t evolved yet to see and understand it. Some argue we&#039;ve evolved out of true freedom but then you get into an arguement of creature comforts verses a type of very primitive Luddism and neither arguement IMO goes to the heart of the matter. Political freedom and economic freedom are a part of the equation but real freedom is vastly beyond these 2 constructs and very few if even any of us are really ready for such ventures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 804205, member: 2189"] Sounds a bit Freudian actually. Freedom and liberty can only move forward if the people choose a moral and ethical approach to life itself. And it does start with yourself first and foremost. When the people abandon morals and ethics, tyranny and centralization of control come into play. A central state is obvious proof of moral and ethical behaviour having been abandoned and as the state grows, man's decline from morality and ethics speeds up. Man tolerates force and violence on others to get his own way and it's much easier to shed the responsibility to others, especially when they have the power of the gun, rather than taking responsibility upon yourself and figuring out how to live and work with other people yourself. Better to just have the state agent point the gun and tell them for you. There is some truth to the idea that true freedom is an illusion, in fact a lot of truth and that man hasn't evolved yet to see and understand it. Some argue we've evolved out of true freedom but then you get into an arguement of creature comforts verses a type of very primitive Luddism and neither arguement IMO goes to the heart of the matter. Political freedom and economic freedom are a part of the equation but real freedom is vastly beyond these 2 constructs and very few if even any of us are really ready for such ventures. [/QUOTE]

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