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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1145599" data-attributes="member: 17969">HEROES?Do heros ignore direct orders and get themselves killed in todays military?&nbsp; Do heroes ignore direct orders and give away a position full of top secret personnel and jeopardize their lives as well?Unfortunately, those are not heroes.&nbsp; They were stupid.&nbsp; They were derelict in their duties.&nbsp; Those two men lost their lives because they couldnt follow orders.&nbsp; Orders that would have save their lives.&nbsp; Instead, they ignored the chain of command and got themselves blown up by mortar fire.&nbsp; No matter what they thought or what their intentions were, the chain of command already calculated that the ambassador and staff would not survive and WHO were these men who thought otherwise?There unilateral decision got them killed.They had no knowledge of the people that were attacking or what kind of firepower they had.&nbsp; To call them Heroes is foolish at best.&nbsp; Once they engaged the enemy, without proper information, they found out the hard way what a mortar blast felt like.&nbsp; Something I am sure they regreted at the moment just before they lost their lives.This is a classic example of WHY soldiers need to follow orders.Had these two men known the attackers had mortars and grenade launchers, maybe they would have rethought the idea of breaking command and ignoring orders.A hero is somebody that fights the good fight and saves lives.&nbsp; NOT somebody who commits a direct disregard for the chain of command.Counseling examples, Article 92 Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation: Any member of the armed forces who, (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful order or regulation; (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is hi/her duty to obey ; (3) is derelict in the performance of his/her duties;&nbsp; may be punished under article 92.What if, by the actions of these two &quot;heroes&quot;, they got all the CIA agents and staff from the CIA black site killed as well, would you still call them heroes?They got &quot;lucky&quot; nobody else was killed.&nbsp; For that reason, they are not heroes.Try to look at the issue objectively.PeaceTOS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1145599, member: 17969"] HEROES? Do heros ignore direct orders and get themselves killed in todays military? Do heroes ignore direct orders and give away a position full of top secret personnel and jeopardize their lives as well? Unfortunately, those are not heroes. They were stupid. They were derelict in their duties. Those two men lost their lives because they couldnt follow orders. Orders that would have save their lives. Instead, they ignored the chain of command and got themselves blown up by mortar fire. No matter what they thought or what their intentions were, the chain of command already calculated that the ambassador and staff would not survive and WHO were these men who thought otherwise? There unilateral decision got them killed. They had no knowledge of the people that were attacking or what kind of firepower they had. To call them Heroes is foolish at best. Once they engaged the enemy, without proper information, they found out the hard way what a mortar blast felt like. Something I am sure they regreted at the moment just before they lost their lives. This is a classic example of WHY soldiers need to follow orders. Had these two men known the attackers had mortars and grenade launchers, maybe they would have rethought the idea of breaking command and ignoring orders. A hero is somebody that fights the good fight and saves lives. NOT somebody who commits a direct disregard for the chain of command. [B]Counseling examples, Article 92 Failure to obey a lawful order or regulation:[/B][I] Any member of the armed forces who, (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful order or regulation; (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is hi/her duty to obey ; (3) is derelict in the performance of his/her duties; may be punished under article 92.[/I] What if, by the actions of these two "heroes", they got all the CIA agents and staff from the CIA black site killed as well, would you still call them heroes? They got "lucky" nobody else was killed. For that reason, they are not heroes. Try to look at the issue objectively. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]

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